Nuke ops/Syndicate hardsuits being able to get tazed.

[sirnat]

So, I was playing as a operative and I got tazed in one shot, I can understand disabler beams from energy weapons but tazing me in one hit while in full hardsuit is a bit annoying. Anyone agree?

[Stickymayhem]

Not really. Buy a shield. Or adrenals. Or go stealth. Or dodge.

[deathhoof]

I want to be able to put on an energy cage suit that blocks tasers and electrocutes melee attackers but has to recharge after a few hits.

[imblyings]

>wordfiltering (h)(u)(g) box

no really though I hope OP was kidding and the two other posts are just playing along

[Stickymayhem]

hugbox

[Gun Hog]

Hugbox = "H U G B O X". You already have a hard-counter defense against tasers - the energy shield. If you are worried about them, consider making the investment to counter the Security team!

[Malkevin]

Technically the shield is only a soft counter, being that it only blocks 60% of the time.

Double e-sword on the other hand is a hard counter because it blocks all energy projectiles with a chance of deflecting it back at the firer.
Hard counter to those, and e-shields, being solid projectiles fired from the revolvers or shotguns.

[Incomptinence]

Sounds like a bug. They should be stunning you not your poor innocent hardsuit.

[lumipharon]

e-shield blocks 100% of the time - ignore what the code may or may not have said in the past.
The only exception is pulse destroyer rounds, which seem to occasionally go through shields/dual sword for no apparent reason.

[onleavedontatme]

e-shield blocks 100% of the time - ignore what the code may or may not have said in the past.
The only exception is pulse destroyer rounds, which seem to occasionally go through shields/dual sword for no apparent reason.

When did that get added?

And how is security supposed to fight a bunch of bullet proof guys with guns?

[MMMiracles]

Stun batons, riot shotguns. Get a chemist/janitor for tactical slippage.

[imblyings]

swarms of validhunters with stunprods, that's how

[MisterPerson]

This conversation has veered wildly off topic.

[Malkevin]

Not really seeing as the hardsuit is used in tandem with eshields 90% of the time

[lumipharon]

E-shield has ALWAYS been 100% block to energy projectiles, but afaik, at some point in the past, the code showed it as lower/was buggy.

But yeah, projectile weapons, stun batons, flashbangs and even spray (if in combat mode) do the trick.

Also e-shields are expensive. If the whole op team buys shields that's 40 points. Usually ops tend to have 1, maybe 2 per team, and that's if they're not using a mech or borg.

[onleavedontatme]

E-shield has ALWAYS been 100% block to energy projectiles, but afaik, at some point in the past, the code showed it as lower/was buggy.

But yeah, projectile weapons, stun batons, flashbangs and even spray (if in combat mode) do the trick.

Also e-shields are expensive. If the whole op team buys shields that's 40 points. Usually ops tend to have 1, maybe 2 per team, and that's if they're not using a mech or borg.

I dont think the intent was ever to have it work at 100%. There are still comments about reflectchance. I might be reading the code wrong but it looks like phil changed it back in march.

And if it is intentional I dont think it's a very good idea. Batons vs guns is pretty one sided

[lumipharon]

It blocks 100% of the chance, it doesn't always reflect.

But as I said, previously, the code seemingly didn't imply that it was 100%, but it always has been And it's always been balanced around that fact. So someone pointed out that the code showed otherwise, and people agreed to just alter the code to reflect how it has always been in game.

[onleavedontatme]

I stand corrected then. Still an awful idea.

I mean old secborgs were zero fun because they could spam projectiles while only a highly specific melee weapon would stop them.

Hell even syndi borgs lost the ebow for the same reason.

[lumipharon]

you're still vulnerable to literally everything else, and gun + shield racks up the tc cost real fast.

[Malkevin]

It blocks 100% of the chance, it doesn't always reflect.

But as I said, previously, the code seemingly didn't imply that it was 100%, but it always has been And it's always been balanced around that fact. So someone pointed out that the code showed otherwise, and people agreed to just alter the code to reflect how it has always been in game.

No it wasn't

Originally they were just childs of shields with a fancy sprite and a toggle feature, shields and eswords had the SHIELD flag

Human defence.dm had a check that triggered when a mob was hit by an attack, it would check if the mob was holding something in either hand and then check if the item had the shield flag.
Then it ran a prob check of originally 70% until Kor changed it to 55% iirc


There was no reflect code applied to either shields or swords originally

[Incomptinence]

Well back then the were also free and just in nuke op lockers for the taking.

[onleavedontatme]

stuff

[quote="Incomptinence"stuff[/quote]

Okay at least I know now I'm not completely crazy for remembering them differently

[Cheridan]

I raised the reflect chance to 100% and removed them from lockers/added to uplink in the population-scaling update that added the TC management consoles.
Dualsabers also have a 100% chance, but do not leave your hands free. Eshields are the 'ranged' version of dualsabers, leaving a hand free for guns and stuff.