/tg/Station 13

Listen guys. You know it, I know it, they know it. SS14, sooner or later, is gonna eat us up.

It's every maint's wet dream. Unshackled from Byond. Pixel movement. Swing combat. It's all already implemented. It's just a matter of time.

What's your plan? Continue modernizing SS13 blindly, like the guy who releases modpack updates for MW2 for 10 people while Activision pumps out their 73rd iteration of BOPS 4? It's a losing battle. There's only one way to win.



That's the one thing we will have that they can never copy over, my green friends. Tile movement. Coder sprites. Unrealistic and janky mechanics. That is how we will survive. By embracing the very thing you are attempting to eradicate.

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight. It doesn't matter how sharp it is, you're losing that fight. Bring a toolbox and a banana peel.

Embrace the soul.

Given that they haven't copied over our new sprites as quickly as they did older ones I think SS14 actually has more soulful codersprites than we do.
They manage to make them look worse with their rotating grids placing pixels at 45 degrees to each other though, ugh.

pixel movement is v soulless

one coder coping, two coders coping

we wont because there is no reason to

Tbh, I'm not a great fan of pixel movement. I've tried ss14 in the playtest and I'm far more of a fan of tile movement because it's not a very popular mechanic in modern games and it gives ss13 that feeling of an "old indie game". Not to say pixel movement sucks, but it's just my personal opinion

Edit: My face when I realize sinful posted this in coding feedback instead of player's club:
Oh well, now I have to give real feedback; fuck you, sinful... I feel like ss13 has its own magic in the tile movement and there is nothing that must be actively done to pair it up with ss14 as each has its own core mechanic.

I don't really understand the appeal of SS14 at the moment. Basically, everything is WIP to the point that no job is really 100% fleshed out, pixel movement is super eh and frequently leads to people getting stuck on doorframes, most departments don't feel finished, etc. Some of it may have changed since I last took a look in December.

The only things I like a lot more about SS14 are that you don't have to convert midis, the really good lighting effects, really good performance, restarts that aren't a diceroll of 15 seconds to two minutes, and that the nuke actually blows up the station without freezing the server. Most of the other stuff felt pointless and in the realm of "just because you could doesn't mean you should" (cargo shuttle having to be manually docked and undocked every time comes to mind)*

*if I had to dock the cargo shuttle manually every single time, I would 100% quit cargo tech. I'm often the only fuck in cargo actually doing their job.

I've been kinda eh every time I've tried SS14. I always get the feeling that it's fun to dick around in for a round or two, but that I wouldn't actually want to play it if I had the choice between SS13 and SS14.

The only real way I see SS14 becoming the majority is in a few scenarios:

1. Byond shuts down 100%.
2. SS14 eventually reaches a state where it's so good that even the diehards move over (this will never happen. Most realistically, an old guard would stay behind but steadily shrink)
3. There is a gradual shift towards SS14 becoming the majority, to the point that servers will have to move over or risk dying. (I do not see this happening, but who knows)

I don't think TG should rule out SS14 forever, but at this point, there's no reason to see SS14 as a threat or viable alternative at the moment. As it currently stands, SS14 is an interesting novelty, and part of that novelty is the fact that it hasn't fallen on its face and died like so many remakes before. Do I think it could be a viable future for SS13 as a whole? Perhaps. There's no reason that it could never be, but at the same time, I don't understand the people who are acting like SS14 is this Mongol horde about to descend upon SS13 and take all the players.

motherfucking cooltext deleting their images after 8 hrs took all the god damn wind out the sails of the OP. fixed now. please refresh if it was broken for you and reread everything. it doesn't work without the burning text seriously

Justice12354 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:56 am Oh well, now I have to give real feedback; fuck you, sinful... I feel like ss13 has its own magic in the tile movement and there is nothing that must be actively done to pair it up with ss14 as each has its own core mechanic.

That's precisely my point Justice... If you missed the 10hr cooltext image expiration window you would've missed it though so no fault to you.
The coders would depopulate an orphanage for pixel movement though make no mistake...
My worry is the incentives are moving away from the old indie aesthetic and trying to modernize but I dunno. Maybe orangeman and headcoders can share their vision it would be neat to know.

RedBaronFlyer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:13 am I don't think TG should rule out SS14 forever, but at this point, there's no reason to see SS14 as a threat or viable alternative at the moment.

I haven't touched SS14. Dude I'm not waiting 2 seconds to open a firelock and needing to press E to interact with objects on the screen (fuck off).

THAT SAID. By the time it's a threat it'll be too late... I'm talkin long term pal. 5-10 year longterm. When SS13 dies I'll be forced to play like, fuckin Smash Bros Ultimate 3 or some shit, and I can't have that happen.

I don't see the point in battling them. Either we make something better, or they do, at least in the long long term.
It's not as if there's money involved for anyone but mso, don't really see why you'd be worried you can just play on the version that turns out better in the end. Either way it's gonna take them a while to develop to match our level of bullshit features, and we add those pretty consistently.

Not gonna change anything I'm working on, if anything it motivates establishing changes now, so even if this branch dies my work will continue on. That's the only thing I'm really all that concerned with.
Frankly I don't really care how many people play the game, only that some do, I have friends who I can work with, and people who will build on what I create. The rest is a happy but not totally important side effect.

ss14 has omega soap and the brown bartender glasses I made so I'm content with my legacy living on.

Add whatever I want to ss13 and then complain about its abscense in ss14 until its added there