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Not much to say other than AoE parapens in the form of flashbangs and ling EMPs are not very much fun. They hit a button when they're on the same screen as you and you die without so much as being able to yell at them.

I lost, please nerf, etc

Considering that's one of the very few ways to even stun a borg, I can't feel too mad about getting hit with those gigantic AOE stuns.

You get what, flashes, flashbangs, and EMP?
Remote lockdown too I guess, though that's not really a combat situation.

What would be a better alternative?

Saegrimr wrote:Considering that's one of the very few ways to even stun a borg, I can't feel too mad about getting hit with those gigantic AOE stuns.

You get what, flashes, flashbangs, and EMP?
Remote lockdown too I guess, though that's not really a combat situation.

It's not so much the AoE stun as that you can't do anything at all, even shout. It's all the aggravation of old parasting but in an AoE

MisterPerson wrote:What would be a better alternative?

Let them still talk?

Yeah this is really stupid primarily because of the mute function

yeah, it mutes and deafens them. I don't mind being blinded or stunned, but this is less like getting hit by a taser and more like being parapenned.

also ling EMP was never ment to be the ultimate anti-borg weapon but what can you do.

Miauw wrote:yeah, it mutes and deafens them. I don't mind being blinded or stunned, but this is less like getting hit by a taser and more like being parapenned.

also ling EMP was never ment to be the ultimate anti-borg weapon but what can you do.

I know borgs can seem sort of strong sometimes but that does not mean being stunned has to be gg no re u ded

I honestly thought this was a bug. Just remove the mute function from it, if anything.

Directing you here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/9106

This is your best chance to request any such adjustments.

They also wanted to make borgs vulnerable to fire like they did with fire suits. What is this cult of the almighty flame or ss13?

Incomptinence wrote:They also wanted to make borgs vulnerable to fire like they did with fire suits. What is this cult of the almighty flame or ss13?

Im indifferent regarding that. Fire is at least highly visible and avoidable, and it would make malf plasma floods less of a no brainer

Miauw wrote:also ling EMP was never ment to be the ultimate anti-borg weapon but what can you do.

Remove the mute/deafen effect, perhaps make the stun shorter and give it a cool down (if there isn't one already. I almost never play antag so I'm not sure about that one). Long enough that the ling could use it for a quick get away from borgs or get a few good hits in to damage it or destroy it if it's already badly damage but short enough that the ling can't just charge a borg at full health, EMP it, and then murder the shit out of it while its helpless.

Jacough wrote:

Miauw wrote:also ling EMP was never ment to be the ultimate anti-borg weapon but what can you do.

Remove the mute/deafen effect, perhaps make the stun shorter and give it a cool down (if there isn't one already. I almost never play antag so I'm not sure about that one). Long enough that the ling could use it for a quick get away from borgs or get a few good hits in to damage it or destroy it if it's already badly damage but short enough that the ling can't just charge a borg at full health, EMP it, and then murder the shit out of it while its helpless.

I don't think it's even necessarily terrible that changelings can solo a cyborg, as long as said cyborg can a least report that it's being killed. Backup will hopefully arrive and save you or repair you afterwards.

Jacough wrote:

Miauw wrote:also ling EMP was never ment to be the ultimate anti-borg weapon but what can you do.

Remove the mute/deafen effect, perhaps make the stun shorter and give it a cool down (if there isn't one already. I almost never play antag so I'm not sure about that one). Long enough that the ling could use it for a quick get away from borgs or get a few good hits in to damage it or destroy it if it's already badly damage but short enough that the ling can't just charge a borg at full health, EMP it, and then murder the shit out of it while its helpless.

nah, EMPs should disable borgs, that makes sense and it's not like they're super common or something.

i was just agreeing that borgs are too easily completely disabled right now. it's incredibly frustrating because if you get flashed you're out for like ten seconds, and a LOT can change about a situation in that time.

Not being able to silence borgs is super fucking shitty for any antag that is trying to not be a murderboner.

This fucks over cult so fucking often.
If a guy walks in on you, you can stun or emp him - if a borg does it, you're literally fucked and there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't see why people prefer the path of unbeatable borg - they're already immune to the vast majority of stuns, immune to fire, cold, space, and all this other jazz.
They're cyborgs, not powergaming terminator bots.

lumipharon wrote:Not being able to silence borgs is super fucking shitty for any antag that is trying to not be a murderboner.

This fucks over cult so fucking often.
If a guy walks in on you, you can stun or emp him - if a borg does it, you're literally fucked and there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't see why people prefer the path of unbeatable borg - they're already immune to the vast majority of stuns, immune to fire, cold, space, and all this other jazz.
They're cyborgs, not powergaming terminator bots.

If you stun someone with anything short of a stun talisman, they still get to scream. Make stun talismans work on borgs, problem solved.
Emping a human makes their radio not work, but they still get a chance to run away. (I'm not saying borgs should be allowed to move when emped.)

Pretend that the flash is a multi-use parapen (because that's literally what it is for borgs right now). Robotics starts with somewhere between 6 to 8 of them, the heads start with one in their lockers plus the spares on the bridge. Every revhead gets one and sec gets multiple plus at least one box of an aoe grenade version.

So far every rev round I've played as a borg has literally wound up with me chain-flashed and dead without being able to say anything. What am I supposed to do, pretend I'm busy when people scream for help unless I picked secborg? (Not being secborg doesn't remove the fact that I have to try to stop harm.)

Yes borgs can be hard to kill, yet I saw it happen all the time before you could silence them. Nothing but a secborg gets a ranged attack and the only other borg that gets a stun without being hacked is a defaultborg. None of them can harm you unless you're not a human, it's emagged, rogue or has a non-default lawset but a human can fight back when you're trying to kill it.

Xerux wrote:

lumipharon wrote:Not being able to silence borgs is super fucking shitty for any antag that is trying to not be a murderboner.

This fucks over cult so fucking often.
If a guy walks in on you, you can stun or emp him - if a borg does it, you're literally fucked and there's nothing you can do about it.

I don't see why people prefer the path of unbeatable borg - they're already immune to the vast majority of stuns, immune to fire, cold, space, and all this other jazz.
They're cyborgs, not powergaming terminator bots.

If you stun someone with anything short of a stun talisman, they still get to scream. Make stun talismans work on borgs, problem solved.

Stun talismans work on borgs you guys....