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according to an admin, they told me that BB flashes are hardcoded to never work on security, which i find being really really dumb, who even thought of it? Along with the reasonable outcome of not working on those with mindshields or sunglasses.

i want the ability to convert antag-protected roles into blood brothers by kidnapping them and removing their mindshields, the effort and risk (kidnapping a high-value role like sec or the captain and removing their mindshield) make up for the reward (gaining a powerful ally)

i took the code from something else that did this but it mightve been cult and not revs. i listed this in my "things i wouldnt mind if someone changed"

I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

It's fine. We already get lings (and rarely traitors with chameleon kits/genetics) killing and replacing sec/the captain and it's not a big deal. If some literal who with no gamer gear or shapeshifter powers manages to kidnap and do maint surgery on the HOS, it won't cause any major issues.

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

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Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.
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i Disagree very strongly.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pm

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

This for everyone, or just officers?

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:46 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pm

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

This for everyone, or just officers?

Everyone for consistency. You convert someone with a flash, you deconvert them with an implant.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:48 am

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:46 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pm

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

This for everyone, or just officers?

Everyone for consistency. You convert someone with a flash, you deconvert them with an implant.

So it's just shitty revs?

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:22 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:48 am

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:46 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pm

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

This for everyone, or just officers?

Everyone for consistency. You convert someone with a flash, you deconvert them with an implant.

So it's just shitty revs?

What else do you want it to be? blood brothers were turned into a limited conversion antag. In my opinion all other options lead to inconsistent behaviour.

Yeah, it is consistency breaking. It shouldn't be a flash.

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:10 pm

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:22 pm

CPTANT wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:48 am

vect0r wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:46 am

CPTANT wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:25 pm

GPeckman wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 4:27 am I don't know if it actually should work on security officers, and I''ll explain why. If a secoff gets their mindshield removed and gets hypnoflashed, then its totally reversible. IIRC, giving them a new mindshield will completely negate the hypnoflashing. But will mindshield someone who has been BB flashed remove their blood brother status? If not, then it makes sense to not let security officers be converted in the first place.

Honestly I think getting mindshielded again should remove the blood brother status.

This for everyone, or just officers?

Everyone for consistency. You convert someone with a flash, you deconvert them with an implant.

So it's just shitty revs?

What else do you want it to be? blood brothers were turned into a limited conversion antag. In my opinion all other options lead to inconsistent behaviour.

Honestly, I don’t want it to be a convention antag at all. But if I had to pick I think it should permanently convert anyone who doesn’t have a mindshield.

Let's remember the alternative to conversion so far has been "so disliked people just wanted it out of rotation"

Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:06 am Let's remember the alternative to conversion so far has been "so disliked people just wanted it out of rotation"

I want to know what you think of being able to convert sec/captain by removing their mindshields to turn them into blood brothers. I think it is balanced because of the risk and reward.
Risk: getting caught and dying, difficulty to convert
Reward: an Ally in a powerful position, you can convert the RD/CMO/CE to complete their respective theft objectives, or even a security/captain brother who is almost above the law.

(and re- mindshielding a blood brother sec/captain does not revert their antag status)

Longestarmlonglaw wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:52 am

Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:06 am Let's remember the alternative to conversion so far has been "so disliked people just wanted it out of rotation"

I want to know what you think of being able to convert sec/captain by removing their mindshields to turn them into blood brothers. I think it is balanced because of the risk and reward.

this has already been pre-approved in the second post of the thread its just someone has to care enough to code it (perhaps.... the person reading this???)

Longestarmlonglaw wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 3:52 am

Armhulen wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 12:06 am Let's remember the alternative to conversion so far has been "so disliked people just wanted it out of rotation"

I want to know what you think of being able to convert sec/captain by removing their mindshields to turn them into blood brothers. I think it is balanced because of the risk and reward.
Risk: getting caught and dying, difficulty to convert
Reward: an Ally in a powerful position, you can convert the RD/CMO/CE to complete their respective theft objectives, or even a security/captain brother who is almost above the law.

(and re- mindshielding a blood brother sec/captain does not revert their antag status)

I'm definitely down but someones gotta make it.

What if BBs convert with high-fives? And when converted, your character says "You son of a bitch, I'm in!"

BrianBackslide wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:47 pm What if BBs convert with high-fives? And when converted, your character says "You son of a bitch, I'm in!"

Holy shit that is an amazing idea.

then it would only make sense if it was voluntary and be a completely different, worse antagonist

BrianBackslide wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:47 pm What if BBs convert with high-fives? And when converted, your character says "You son of a bitch, I'm in!"

Somebody should tell goofball so he can add it to families.