Gameplay Is Laggy To Hell

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:01 pm #114576

Bottom post of the previous page:

Network lag, Server lag, and client lag are not mutually exclusive things.
Just because one thing is causing one of those things to lag does not mean there are other things causing the other things to lag too.

Post by **oranges** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:15 pm #114696

I think this is a useful discussion to have, so I asked for the thread to be unlocked. But can we please focus on noticed lag situations and not the moderation of the thread.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:57 pm #114707

Inb4 locked or deleted by MSO for bitching about both atmos lag and network lag

The problems: Okay so MSO has explained the Server provider is having networking issues now that he can't resolve on his end. Yes that is fine get a new provider if there is nothing else we can do...

BUT

PROBLEM 2:
LAG FROM FASTMOS AND SINGULO ARE HORRIFIC

Remove the pulling the pipe and wiring out and just go back to singulo eating tiles and not ripping shit apart because the lag is horrific now there were times where singulo was loose and you didn't even know. Now if singulo is loose or atmos is causing massive plasma fires suddenly you know what just happened

Amelius · Post by **Amelius** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:55 am #114717

Bombadil wrote:Inb4 locked or deleted by MSO for bitching about both atmos lag and network lag

The problems: Okay so MSO has explained the Server provider is having networking issues now that he can't resolve on his end. Yes that is fine get a new provider if there is nothing else we can do...

BUT

PROBLEM 2:
LAG FROM FASTMOS AND SINGULO ARE HORRIFIC

Remove the pulling the pipe and wiring out and just go back to singulo eating tiles and not ripping shit apart because the lag is horrific now there were times where singulo was loose and you didn't even know. Now if singulo is loose or atmos is causing massive plasma fires suddenly you know what just happened

This. It causes a huge amount of lag, along with pipe/wire/etc. deletions. It'd go a long way to making the singulairty not one massive lag device.

Remie Richards · Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:59 am

Not moving the pipes/wires won't solve anything
it will still move over the pipes and wires, thus deleting them, and triggering powernet rebuilds.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:11 am #114749

I did a little look around on other servers to see their lag/movement stutter status.

Baystation: Suffers from just as horrid movement lag and lag in general, not as big a deal considering the slower pace of the game but its still a problem.

Goonstation: Surprisingly the movement is smooth and the lag was not that bad, may get worse on higher populations but overall it was smooth.

Aliens Colonial Marines: Surprinsigly the game suffers from little lag and no movement lag at all, this is inpressive considering not only is the code used based on Baycode but the fact that the server seemed to have around 100 players on at the time.

Yogsation: I was there for only ten seconds yet the movement was very smooth and lag was not a huge issue.

Overall from what I can see of the major servers only Bay and /tg/ seem to have this lag problem. I would rank /tg/'s lag slightly higher than Bays.

Tornadium · Post by **Tornadium** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:44 am #114757

Steelpoint wrote:I did a little look around on other servers to see their lag/movement stutter status.

Baystation: Suffers from just as horrid movement lag and lag in general, not as big a deal considering the slower pace of the game but its still a problem.

Goonstation: Surprisingly the movement is smooth and the lag was not that bad, may get worse on higher populations but overall it was smooth.

Aliens Colonial Marines: Surprinsigly the game suffers from little lag and no movement lag at all, this is inpressive considering not only is the code used based on Baycode but the fact that the server seemed to have around 100 players on at the time.

Yogsation: I was there for only ten seconds yet the movement was very smooth and lag was not a huge issue.

Overall from what I can see of the major servers only Bay and /tg/ seem to have this lag problem. I would rank /tg/'s lag slightly higher than Bays.

Goon seems to have interaction lag, Movement straight up isn't ever affected. You can zip around without any lag what so ever.

Malkevin · Post by **Malkevin** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:01 am #114759

Goon runs at a higher frame rate and a higher tick rate

Remie Richards wrote:Not moving the pipes/wires won't solve anything
it will still move over the pipes and wires, thus deleting them, and triggering powernet rebuilds.

Is it not rebuilding when the pipes and wires are ripped off their anchors?

Because if it is then remember that the gravity field extends about twice, maybe even three times, the size of the event horizon

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:02 pm #114772

A solution would be only rebuilding powernets at the start of a tick, so you get one rebuild per tick maximum.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:25 pm #114782

Miauw wrote:A solution would be only rebuilding powernets at the start of a tick, so you get one rebuild per tick maximum.

scedule it right before the atmos calculations.

Do atmos calculations run every tick? If not you have to rebuild the network even less often.

Pipe destruction should just flag the system for a rebuild.

Not a tg code expert but shouldn't changing the network rebuild script to run right before atmos processing be relatively easy?

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:27 pm #114783

powernets and pipenets are different things.

and yeah, it's probably not very difficult.

CPTANT · Post by **CPTANT** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:30 pm #114785

Miauw wrote:powernets and pipenets are different things.

and yeah, it's probably not very difficult.

Eeuh its a problem for both I guess. was thinking of pipenets. But powernets can also just be only rebuild right before the power calculations.

I have a feeling this would will make quite a difference to the cpu spikes experienced during loose sings.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:57 pm #114814

Well we could reduce singulos movement speed too to lower it.

or

Reduce the range it pulls things apart

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:11 pm #114816

Imo I think we should be focusing more on the problem that plagues the game 99% of the time.

While the singularity is a big source of lag, that only occurs if it gets loose. Movement lag and other general lag occur irrespective of the singularity's existence.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:51 pm #114820

Steelpoint wrote:Imo I think we should be focusing more on the problem that plagues the game 99% of the time.

While the singularity is a big source of lag, that only occurs if it gets loose. Movement lag and other general lag occur irrespective of the singularity's existence.

exactly.

So, do you want to know what causes the movement lag and a good chunk of most of the general lag?

Take a guess, I've mentioned it quite a few times.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:36 pm #114835

Yeah just the last round, spiders all over the goddamn place but no singulo and no plasma flooding. Same intermittent stuttering and freezing. Strangely lighting broke too for short periods of time.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:57 pm #114863

Saegrimr wrote:Yeah just the last round, spiders all over the goddamn place but no singulo and no plasma flooding. Same intermittent stuttering and freezing. Strangely lighting broke too for short periods of time.

That actually happens when spiders are given enough time to breed. I think its the massive amount of spider mobs made

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:16 pm #114864

Bombadil wrote:
Saegrimr wrote:Yeah just the last round, spiders all over the goddamn place but no singulo and no plasma flooding. Same intermittent stuttering and freezing. Strangely lighting broke too for short periods of time.
That actually happens when spiders are given enough time to breed. I think its the massive amount of spider mobs made

Oh yeah definitely, if nurse spiders get to breeding, for every single corpse on the entire station, that's 5 spiderlings, who then grow into giant spiders. Lag city, also spiders are hilarious.

Jalleo · Post by **Jalleo** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:51 pm #114874

PR up to try and stop the powernet from lagging by removing constant reconstruction thank the based phil

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:26 am #115379

Well I'm happy to report that actual in game movement feels far more smoother now.

The game is still stuttering along don't get me wrong, but now the movement is not actually stuttering.

Miauw · Post by **Miauw** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:58 am #115402

the jerky movement has been a thing since sanic was removed
have you even played the game in the last three years, steelpoint?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:10 pm #115406

I'm comparing our movement speed with the identical/similar movement speed off of other servers, of which our movement and overall jerkyness is more unique to us than any other server.

The reason it's suddenly noticeable to me is because I've been playing a lot on another server, thus when I log onto /tg/ I easily notice the difference, unlike most people who don't realise since they are used to the current movement.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:50 pm #115415

Well tg runs at a lower framerate than some other servers, so that's what you may be noticing.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:05 pm #115447

Scott wrote:Well tg runs at a lower framerate than some other servers, so that's what you may be noticing.

Perhaps its just that. Why do we run at a lower frame rate anyway?

Remie Richards · Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:14 pm

Steelpoint wrote:
Scott wrote:Well tg runs at a lower framerate than some other servers, so that's what you may be noticing.
Perhaps its just that. Why do we run at a lower frame rate anyway?

We don't.
We run at the original frame rate most of the game's systems were tied to.
other servers either correctly unhooked those systems from the FPS, and then upped the FPS
or they willy nilly upped it without fixing anything.

Post by **MrStonedOne** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:26 pm #115618

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/11159

This PR fixes the only thing still hooking us to the fps.

Once it is merged I plan to start testing out higher fpses. but higher fps means more network traffic, so we might not see me raise that up much until after the server move to newyork

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:07 pm #115625

It was just merged so yay.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:29 pm #115650

It doesn't seem to be working though

Also I like the old FPS, I'm too used to the cinematic experience

invisty · Post by **invisty** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 8:31 pm #115651

I would really appreciate the higher fps.

Im not familiar with BYONDs internals, yet Im curious as to how higher FPS increases network traffic?

Remie Richards · Sun Aug 30, 2015 1:29 am

I don't get why people want the higher fps, it -really- doesn't work for SS13, it just looks and feels *bad*

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 10:06 am #115764

>really doesn't work for SS13

It does work very well for the servers that get it to work. /tg/station is one of the most popular servers that exists, there's no reason to be content at us remaining with subpar performance when we could have better and less jittery movement.

Incoming · Post by **Incoming** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 3:42 pm #115807

I have never seen a server pull off higher FPS well. Either it jitters and shakes, or it's so unbearably smooth that it looks like the game world is sliding under your feet instead of your character actually moving.

Also why in the world are people deving resource intensive features when we're kind of having a crisis about resources?

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 4:03 pm #115810

Movement feels and looks like shit now.

Remie Richards · Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:31 pm

Steelpoint wrote:>really doesn't work for SS13

It does work very well for the servers that get it to work. /tg/station is one of the most popular servers that exists, there's no reason to be content at us remaining with subpar performance when we could have better and less jittery movement.

I've not visited another server in a long time
all I have to go off of are my own/MSO/other people's adjusting of the FPS var on our servers, and it REALLY just does -not- work.

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:28 pm #115829

I don't claim to know how any of this stuff works, but from what I can see, feel and interact with on this server and other servers is that somehow other servers are able to get the game to move smoothly outside of horrible lag spikes (which all SS13 servers eventually get).

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:16 pm #116367

Mso was dicking with the settings on basil the other day and it really just looked like shit

callanrockslol · Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:39 am

The human eye can't see higher than 11 FPS anyway...

Post by **oranges** » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:28 am #117381

hey thats my line

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:08 am #120043

Consistent horrible lag is still persistent I thought you upgraded to a different host MSO? ITS WORSE.

In this case I think it's the code going to shit hasn't been a good freeze in a while