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For those of us who play ling rounds quite often, we can ALL probably attest to them being boring as fuck. This is partially due to conflicting design decisions on lings as an antag, but mainly because their options for going loud, while they have been buffed recently, are not in quite the niche that would make so many more rounds better. So the change I want to ask for is removing the slowdown on chitin armor. This would buff chitin armor out of it's current state of being nearly useless, (NOBODY used the riot armor back when it had slowdown) and make it so lings have more incentives to go loud due to having more ability to protect themselves from damage.

Alternatively, a far more radical change to buff loudlings would be combining the chitin armor and space suit into one suit, and removing the slowdown from both, but this might be too much.

may as well since nobody takes ling armor anyways

Kor was going to do this iirc before he vanished off the face of the earth

I'm going to assume you mean movement slowdown and not chem recharge slowdown as this was compared to Riot armour.

/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/changeling, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing/suit, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing, no slowdown
/obj/item, where the slowdown var is defined, starting at 0

so uh... it has no slowdown?

Remie Richards wrote:I'm going to assume you mean movement slowdown and not chem recharge slowdown as this was compared to Riot armour.

/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/changeling, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing/suit, has no slowdown
/obj/item/clothing, no slowdown
/obj/item, where the slowdown var is defined, starting at 0

so uh... it has no slowdown?

I meant movement speed on the chitin armor, sorry, but if I have to ask, why DOES the chitin armor slow chem regen anyways?

Also yeah it does have movement slowdown, admins can probably test this.

Zilenan91 wrote: I meant movement speed on the chitin armor, sorry, but if I have to ask, why DOES the chitin armor slow chem regen anyways?

Also yeah it does have movement slowdown, admins can probably test this.

No idea, Probably pre-emptive balancing on the part of the dev of Ling Chitin armour, ask Miauw why he did it.
As for the slowdown, I went down the rabbit hole as deep as it goes, it doesn't have slowdown, really and if it *somehow* does, it's in a really odd place and potentially unintentional.

Remie Richards wrote:

Zilenan91 wrote: I meant movement speed on the chitin armor, sorry, but if I have to ask, why DOES the chitin armor slow chem regen anyways?

Also yeah it does have movement slowdown, admins can probably test this.

No idea, Probably pre-emptive balancing on the part of the dev of Ling Chitin armour, ask Miauw why he did it.
As for the slowdown, I went down the rabbit hole as deep as it goes, it doesn't have slowdown, really and if it *somehow* does, it's in a really odd place and potentially unintentional.

Might be in an odd place, then. Consider testing it on-server if you need verification, because it does slow you.

Zilenan91 wrote: Might be in an odd place, then. Consider testing it on-server if you need verification, because it does slow you.

I uh, I just tested it.
It doesn't slow.
At all.
You're probably confusing some other slowdown, probably from injuries or hunger.

It used to have slowdown but it got reverted already I believe

I think the slow down was removed by Kor during that big armour nerf PR.

Ling armour is an antag ability designed by Miauw, just be glad it doesn't make a fully geared sec officer erupt from your chest and start beating you or just you know remove it for being worthless.

yes i added a new ability to lings in an attempt to nerf them
that makes sense right

More I said it might as well not be there. It is unappealing and largely unused that's for sure.

/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/changeling
armor = list(melee = 40, bullet = 20, laser = 30, energy = 13, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)

This is why the armor is not used. It is trash. It is strongest point, melee, is pathetic and having such low protection against lasers and energy, the types the changeling is most likely to face, makes it extremely limited for its 2 DNA cost.

Gun Hog wrote:/obj/item/clothing/suit/armor/changeling
armor = list(melee = 40, bullet = 20, laser = 30, energy = 13, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)

This is why the armor is not used. It is trash. It is strongest point, melee, is pathetic and having such low protection against lasers and energy, the types the changeling is most likely to face, makes it extremely limited for its 2 DNA cost.

Wow that is kinda garbage. Perhaps its stats need to be buffed a lot, because at 2 DNA that's just not worth it.

Or just buff it slightly and make it 1 DNA, god knows lings should have more incentive to go loud.

Goofball is buffing it here: https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/11612

quality thread

4 lings with chitin+blade+shield+cancer healing can wreck literally anything OP nerf plox.