Should robotics/R&D machinery be all-access?

[Not-Dorsidarf]

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/11720

While this issue was closed for being Feedback Forum material, Fox rarely actually makes the threads, and I felt this warranted discussion.

[whodaloo]

Holy shit no science is already a bastion of faggots who refuse to hand out useful gear to other departments despite it literally being their job. The last thing we need is an ID lock so some poor engineer has to murder a scientist just to get an upgraded welding tool.

[Bluespace]

No ID lock = amazing.
No longer do I cry as a Roboticist when no scientists do RnD.

[Gun Hog]

If it were my PR, I would re-add the Science airlocks, and put them department level access. Exosuit fabricators could stand to be put at department level access as well. Although the access removals have caused a small amount of friction between roboticists and scientists when they try to step over each other, their ability to cooperate and cover for each other has greatly increased. A robo can handle research if no one else is, and a scientist can fill in for roboticists by building their own fabricator, should no one be manning that lab.

The detriment to access restriction loss is that anyone can break in and take/build anything they desire, making it hard to keep the clown from creating a singulo. I think departmental level access can work just fine without damaging the relationship between scientists and robos.

Note that the protolathe, circuit imprinter, and destructive analyzer all once shared access restrictions of the console linked to them.

[Takeguru]

Put up some doors that are tied to RnD access.
You know, the same access used to get through the double airlock into RnD

The machines themselves should be all access

[Saegrimr]

What Takeguru said.

Also its a little unfair that robotics gets a free walk-in to R&D but scientists have to bust some windows down.

[Cheimon]

Holy shit yes science is already a bastion of faggots who refuse to hand out useful gear to other departments despite it literally being their job. The last thing we need is an ID lock so some poor engineer has to murder a scientist just to get an upgraded welding tool.

This pretty much sums it up for me too. Scientists love to hoard gear, much more than cargo or other departments.

All access also makes it way easier for the roboticists to get on with their job if scientists don't want to help.

[InsaneHyena]

Originally, I was going to write a post about no ID doors gating RnD being the best thing since sliced bread, because it allows me to do the research as a roboticist (or a clown), but then I've remembered all those times, when I had to deconstruct robotics windows as a scientist, so I can get my mech syringe guns.

And then I've had a thought - is there any reason at all why roboticist and scientist are different jobs with different access? I mean, we don't have a xenobiologist job or a researcher job - it's all covered by scientists. We do have geneticists, but they're in this weird spot, when they're really more of medbay personnel than science. So, again, why roboticists get this arbitrary divide?

[CPTANT]

Originally, I was going to write a post about no ID doors gating RnD being the best thing since sliced bread, because it allows me to do the research, but then I've remembered all those times, when I had to deconstruct robotics windows as a scientist, so I can get my mech syringe guns.

And then I've had a thought - is there any reason at all why roboticist and scientist are different jobs with different access? I mean, we don't have a xenobiologist job or a researcher job - it's all covered by scientists. We do have geneticists, but they're in this weird spot, when they're really more of medbay personnel than science. So, again, why roboticists get this arbitrary divide?

Well Science is already the department that got all its roles merged. Compare it with medbay that still has the chemist, doctor, virologist and geneticist(?) all with their tiny niche jobs.

[sirnat]

Here's simple solution:

Scientists build their own airlocks to R&D, by setting the airlock control to science access.

Make them actually have to do something, because I've had rounds where the scientists were nazis over shit especially discovering toys.

Experimentor is never used in science, can we just put it somewhere else and re-add telesci?

[whodaloo]

Here's simple solution:

Scientists build their own airlocks to R&D, by setting the airlock control to science access.

Make them actually have to do something, because I've had rounds where the scientists were nazis over shit especially discovering toys.

Experimentor is never used in science, can we just put it somewhere else and re-add telesci?

You can't set airlock access without an ID with engineering access.

[sirnat]

Get RD to get engineer access from HOP?

[Gun Hog]

Get RD to get engineer access from HOP?

That is not a feasible solution every round. It should just be default department access.

[invisty]

Manual lock is already a feature for the RnD consoles, so why not import it to the exofab too?

That way, its down to scientists and roboticists being diligent and exercising best practice to keep the mime from obtaining bags of holding and mechs of murder.

[CPTANT]

Manual lock is already a feature for the RnD consoles, so why not import it to the exofab too?

That way, its down to scientists and roboticists being diligent and exercising best practice to keep the mime from obtaining bags of holding and mechs of murder.

fuck no, people taking the effort to break into places should be encouraged, not made pointless by hugbox id checks.

[lumipharon]

console locking is literally the most pointless thing in the entire game.

You can get around it with a fucking screwdriver.

Give R&D back their airlocks, like every other job in the entire game.

The machines themselves don't need to be ID locked, or if they are, should atleast be hackable like a vendor.