/tg/Station 13

Why did someone insist on making the lives of engies, atmos techs and miners that much more painful?

What good does it actually bring to the game?

Revert it

The change was a side-effect of making in-hand items have slowdown, so people wouldn't move at sanic speeds while they're blasting away with a minigun, as an example.

The new meme is to drag them

Nah, then a greyshit would steal it. Just leave it on.

yeah, this is a horrible change

This is technically a bug.

I wanted heavy weapons to be possible, and originally exempted hardsuits, but it was pointed out that istype checks every mob step was retarded, so I made it do everything.

I lost interest in heavy weapons anyway so I will revert this when the freeze is over

Gun Hog wrote:This is technically a bug.

No, it isn't.
They were made exempt, and then their special exemption was removed, intentionally.

Personally I would rather just remove hardsuit slowdown outright but maybe that's just me.

MisterPerson wrote:Personally I would rather just remove hardsuit slowdown outright but maybe that's just me.

Agree with you here tbh

The worn slowdown does serve a purpose. I say this as someone who values a space suit above almost any other item too.

Being able to flee into space is a huge advantage when properly leveraged, it absolutely needs some kind of tradeoff on station so you don't have turbohitlers sprinting in and out of airlock to murder people and then run out of a broken window and basically being unstoppable to anyone without a suit.

The slowdown is an elegant tradeoff.

The hand-slowdown shit is not.

Oldman Robustin wrote:The worn slowdown does serve a purpose. I say this as someone who values a space suit above almost any other item too.

Being able to flee into space is a huge advantage when properly leveraged, it absolutely needs some kind of tradeoff on station so you don't have turbohitlers sprinting in and out of airlock to murder people and then run out of a broken window and basically being unstoppable to anyone without a suit.

The slowdown is an elegant tradeoff.

The hand-slowdown shit is not.

i agree with this fucking guy

So the old method didn't require a check every step and the new method doesn't need a check every step.

So can't they both co exist as independent things? I mean I know you hate snowflake code but maybe for one of the integral items to a space setting it would be worth it?

Hand slowdown is fine, For items that are meant to be used while in hand. Items that provide their benefit when worn should also only provide their speed penalty when worn as well. Holding a minigun could slow you because it provides its benefit by being a powerful weapon, ready to use. Spinning it up and firing it could increase the slowdown to the point where the user is essentially only capable of a few sidesteps. It is not due to the mechanics of firing a huge weapon with a heavy recoil, it is simply to make the user more vulnerable to attack.

Incredibly strong weapons that give you a slowdown is a cool idea just to be clear, just adding slowdown to hardsuit items when held was silly.

why do we fucking need miniguns? who's going to get it? syndies? syndies are already quite capable of killing every fucking thing.

Wizard chaos miniguns that fire random magic projectiles when

Super Aggro Crag wrote:why do we fucking need miniguns? who's going to get it? syndies? syndies are already quite capable of killing every fucking thing.

50 brute per shot, 5-round burst, only works with a backpack-mounted ammunition holder (200 rounds, or 40 bursts). Heavy recoil unless held in both hands and spun up, which takes a few seconds - note you're already slowed down a lot by the gun. (You'd be undraggable too, so the other ops can't drag you around for 250-brute burst spam.)

TheNightingale wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:why do we fucking need miniguns? who's going to get it? syndies? syndies are already quite capable of killing every fucking thing.

50 brute per shot, 5-round burst, only works with a backpack-mounted ammunition holder (200 rounds, or 40 bursts). Heavy recoil unless held in both hands and spun up, which takes a few seconds - note you're already slowed down a lot by the gun. (You'd be undraggable too, so the other ops can't drag you around for 250-brute burst spam.)

they already have so many fucking guns why do they need AND THEN THERES THIS GUN THAT GUNS EVEN GUNNER THAN GUN EXCEPT FOR THIS DRAWBACK like fucks sake they already win 85 percent of rounds they're in, why not just give them a fucking High Intensity Gamma Burst Cannon that instantly kills everyone on the station no matter where they are hiding.

fuck i remember when these syndie assholes were just douchebags in turtlenecks and red pajamas with revolvers and they still managed to be some of the most threatening guys in the antag roster, now they've got pitchblack powerarmor made out of melted down neutronium katanas that makes them unstunnable and gives them 98 percent damage resistance and miniguns and the crew can't use anything they drop because it explodes.

The current machine gun the ops have is already useless so I have no idea why another one should be added.

I'm glad this was added, trying to chase someone who can just take their hardsuit off instantly and speed away was really annoying.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

TheNightingale wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:why do we fucking need miniguns? who's going to get it? syndies? syndies are already quite capable of killing every fucking thing.

50 brute per shot, 5-round burst, only works with a backpack-mounted ammunition holder (200 rounds, or 40 bursts). Heavy recoil unless held in both hands and spun up, which takes a few seconds - note you're already slowed down a lot by the gun. (You'd be undraggable too, so the other ops can't drag you around for 250-brute burst spam.)

they already have so many fucking guns why do they need AND THEN THERES THIS GUN THAT GUNS EVEN GUNNER THAN GUN EXCEPT FOR THIS DRAWBACK like fucks sake they already win 85 percent of rounds they're in, why not just give them a fucking High Intensity Gamma Burst Cannon that instantly kills everyone on the station no matter where they are hiding.

fuck i remember when these syndie assholes were just douchebags in turtlenecks and red pajamas with revolvers and they still managed to be some of the most threatening guys in the antag roster, now they've got pitchblack powerarmor made out of melted down neutronium katanas that makes them unstunnable and gives them 98 percent damage resistance and miniguns and the crew can't use anything they drop because it explodes.

In defense of old syndicate, those old did as much damage melee as they did ranged.

Kor wrote:I wanted heavy weapons to be possible, and originally exempted hardsuits, but it was pointed out that istype checks every mob step was retarded, so I made it do everything.

I lost interest in heavy weapons anyway so I will revert this when the freeze is over

Yep, istype checks every step is retarded.







































Thats why bitflags exist.

We have shitty features we get stuck with every freeze. Can we count this as a bug and fix it?

Wyzack wrote:We have shitty features we get stuck with every freeze. Can we count this as a bug and fix it?

As far as I now this is a bug to begin with and was never intended to apply to hardsuits.

It's intended.

Zilenan91 wrote:It's intended.

I can hardly call this intended:

I wanted heavy weapons to be possible, and originally exempted hardsuits, but it was pointed out that istype checks every mob step was retarded