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Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by oranges » #145768

This year lummox has asked the ss13 community to turn out it's pockets and shake a little more loose change forth for the byond upstream. Upon who our hopes, dreams and shiny clickfest games are built.

In the spirit of the new year and making resolutions for making the server better I have brough upon myself the task of developing code to make mutant races of different species a byond member only feature.

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Post by oranges » #145771

Never, so stop being a jew
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Post by Gun Hog » #145772

This was already rejected. There is no need for it now, either. To you, this is an attempt at removing lizards, but in a way that may not upset as many people.

Also, this belongs in the "Ideas" forum, not "Feedback".
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Post by Lumbermancer » #145773

Pay2Win microtransaction store when?
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Post by Zilenan91 » #145775

I'm gonna say no since this idea got btfo'd once before already.
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Post by LiamLime » #145776

Nobody donates to SS13, let alone byond. This is by far the most monetarily selfish community known to man, willing to use every single excuse under the sun to not give a buck a month.

Pre-emptive response: The asking price is ONE DOLLAR. You have NO MONETARY EXCUSE. The only valid excuses are being unable to pay (as in being unable to get a Patreon accepted credit/debit card or paypal account).
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Post by Zilenan91 » #145777

If BYond wants my money they will make a good service and do their best to make that service as good as possible. Not making it open source and being a bunch of fucking jews isn't making their service as good as possible, so they don't deserve any of my money.
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Post by onleavedontatme » #145778

>not giving me something for free means they arent entitled to my money

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Post by oranges » #145779

Fuck you Zilenan91, you're literally playing a game that exists on their goodwill, a platform that despite our grumbling has proven to be extraordinarily flexible and accommodation.

I don’t' know how you even justify in your own mind the kind of doublethink necessary to call them jews and tell them their service sucks.

Without byond we don’t' exist, period.
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Post by Zilenan91 » #145781

>implying I don't already donate to BYond

The service can be better, and them not wanting to improve it as much as they can does not send a good message to me.
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Post by Saegrimr » #145782

I really can't tell when oranges is being ironic anymore.
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Post by oranges » #145783

Okay the OP was a quick troll but the responses were genuine
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Post by Incoming » #145785

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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #145787

i bought a years membership a while back
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Post by invisty » #145790

Lets not conflate lizard/species restriction with being an uncharitable and stingy cunt.

Why don't we just add special on-round-start hats for donors, instead? $5 lets you unlock a slightly-different hat for a job of your choice?

At least you can steal hats.
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Post by TheNightingale » #145792

Short version: no.
Long version: heck no.
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Post by InsaneHyena » #145795

Please, yes. The more uncomfortable anything is to furries the better.
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Post by Takeguru » #145796

But my money is better suited going to drugs and hookers
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Post by firecage » #145802

Fuck off, actually make a new feature for this instead of trying to block features you personally dislike behind a paywall. There's a reason this was denied before.
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Post by iamgoofball » #145813

I tried to get this done with my TheAssistant alt account and it got shot down.

I think you fucks need to consider how screwed we are if BYOND dies.
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Post by MMMiracles » #145814

iamgoofball wrote:I tried to get this done with my TheAssistant alt account and it got shot down.

I think you fucks need to consider how screwed we are if BYOND dies.
go donate to BYOND then instead of wanting to lock shit behind paywalls.

i've already donated a few times just because. people aren't going to give their money if they haven't already, no amount of dumb ideas like this is going to change that.
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Post by Incoming » #145822

Locking new cosmetic options that don't impact game balance at all: Fine
Locking anything else: No
Locking existing features: Literally a meme
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Post by Zilenan91 » #145823

If we locked custom clothes behind a paywall I'd be down for that, like the ability for you to spawn in wearing, like, a baseball cap or a monkey mask or a xeno suit or whatever.
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Post by 1g88a » #145828

The only people who'd be swayed by it are the people who are set on playing a lizard character. Lizards are almost purely cosmetic and have no asimov protection. Imagine if plasmaman was the reward.

Fancy clothing would be a neat alternative, like how Goon has clothing rewards tied to their weird achievement system.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #145832

make donators spawn with the golden chain necklaces i implemented a while back to show that they have mucho dinero.
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Post by Imca » #145847

Why not do it to catpeople, some people would probably donate for them, they provide literally no gameplay advantage, and currently there admin only so it is not like your locking something that already exists.
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PKPenguin321 wrote:make donators spawn with the golden chain necklaces i implemented a while back to show that they have mucho dinero.
I am actually fond of this idea.
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Post by imblyings » #145866

donators could get a set of vouchers or something, to use on clothing machines in the same way mining vendor machines work. The vouchers open up a different menu of donator cosmetic items from clothes vendors so there's no roundstart meta, kinda, since donators have to take the items at roundstart. They could also share their vouchers but they won't start with that many, maybe a box of three or something.
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Post by DrPillzRedux » #145867

I already donate to Byond and keep my membership up.

I might be the only lizard player that does.
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Post by Steelpoint » #145913

Locking some cosmetic items behind a donator wall towards the Byond people seems fine, just so long as it is kept away from job roles. I dislike the idea of diluting job appearances with whacky donator items.
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Post by Zilenan91 » #145916

Yeah we could just make there be a special clothes vendor in the locker rooms on all the maps that you can insert vouchers into to get pools of clothes out of, with donators getting like 3 that they can give away or use if they want to.
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Post by Ricotez » #145917

I would prefer the premium features to remain things that don't affect the in-game performance at all. Right now we have alternative ghost skins, 10 character slots and custom OOC name colours as incentives, none of which have any impact in-game whatsoever. Cosmetic items that you spawn with may affect in-game performance, but we'd have to run a playtest to find out exactly how.
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Post by Steelpoint » #145924

I fail to see how spawning in clothes would have absolutely any effect on the game's performance, need we examine the clothing machines already present in both the Theatre and the locker rooms?
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Post by Remie Richards » #145925

Steelpoint wrote:I fail to see how spawning in clothes would have absolutely any effect on the game's performance, need we examine the clothing machines already present in both the Theatre and the locker rooms?
Performance as in PLAYER PERFORMANCE, is what Rico means I'm pretty sure.
As in they'd start cosmetic and eventually creep their way into having something more to them.
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Post by Remie Richards » #145926

Steelpoint wrote:I fail to see how spawning in clothes would have absolutely any effect on the game's performance, need we examine the clothing machines already present in both the Theatre and the locker rooms?
Performance as in PLAYER PERFORMANCE, is what Rico means I'm pretty sure.
As in they'd start cosmetic and eventually creep their way into having something more to them.
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Post by Takeguru » #145929

For example, tacticool turtlenecks.

They apparently have the same resistances as tactical turtlenecks.
Having them available would be a benefit in a powergame perspective.

Or, less obvious, the clothes vouchers would allow easyish disguise changes for 10 bucks a month or whatever the costs are
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Post by Steelpoint » #145933

Since when did donator only items translate into giving free armour to anyone?

As I said I find the idea of cosmetic items only ok, but really I would wish we avoid it altogether as its just a pandora's box that we won't be able to shut once its opened.
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Post by Wyzack » #145937

Wait the tacticool turtleneck gives you armor? I grab one every round because i think it looks cool but having the stats of the real thing is silly, it is a joke clothing item. Also people who know about the armor probably think i am a massive tryhard now :^(
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Post by Random Players » #145956

The Tacticool thing is bullshit. Looking at the files, Tacticool Turtleneck has no benefits.
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/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate
	name = "tactical turtleneck"
	desc = "A non-descript and slightly suspicious looking turtleneck with digital camouflage cargo pants."
	icon_state = "syndicate"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "syndicate"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/tacticool
	name = "tacticool turtleneck"
	desc = "Just looking at it makes you want to buy an SKS, go into the woods, and -operate-."
	icon_state = "tactifool"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "tactifool"

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/sniper
	name = "Tactical turtleneck suit"
	desc = "A double seamed tactical turtleneck disguised as a civillian grade silk suit. Intended for the most formal operator. The collar is really sharp"
	icon_state = "really_black_suit"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "black_suit"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1
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Post by Wyzack » #145957

Good. Honestly not sure why it has no sensors but I guess it is the price I pay to look fabulous
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Post by Remie Richards » #145961

Random Players wrote:The Tacticool thing is bullshit. Looking at the files, Tacticool Turtleneck has no benefits.
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/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate
	name = "tactical turtleneck"
	desc = "A non-descript and slightly suspicious looking turtleneck with digital camouflage cargo pants."
	icon_state = "syndicate"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "syndicate"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/tacticool
	name = "tacticool turtleneck"
	desc = "Just looking at it makes you want to buy an SKS, go into the woods, and -operate-."
	icon_state = "tactifool"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "tactifool"

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/sniper
	name = "Tactical turtleneck suit"
	desc = "A double seamed tactical turtleneck disguised as a civillian grade silk suit. Intended for the most formal operator. The collar is really sharp"
	icon_state = "really_black_suit"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "black_suit"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1
There's this thing in Object Oriented Languages called "Inheritance"
Any variable not redefined on a subtype is IDENTICAL TO THE VALUE ON THE PARENT TYPE
/tacticool is a subtype of /syndicate, the armour is on /syndicate, and /tacticool doesn't redefine the "armor" list, or it's values, meaning it retains the values of it's parent.
In this case, the armour.

If you're going to use code as evidence, please be able to read it.
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Post by invisty » #145962

Shh. Don't tell the plebeians how to read code, you'll just empower them further.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #146012

Remie Richards wrote:
Random Players wrote:The Tacticool thing is bullshit. Looking at the files, Tacticool Turtleneck has no benefits.
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/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate
	name = "tactical turtleneck"
	desc = "A non-descript and slightly suspicious looking turtleneck with digital camouflage cargo pants."
	icon_state = "syndicate"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "syndicate"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/tacticool
	name = "tacticool turtleneck"
	desc = "Just looking at it makes you want to buy an SKS, go into the woods, and -operate-."
	icon_state = "tactifool"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "tactifool"

/obj/item/clothing/under/syndicate/sniper
	name = "Tactical turtleneck suit"
	desc = "A double seamed tactical turtleneck disguised as a civillian grade silk suit. Intended for the most formal operator. The collar is really sharp"
	icon_state = "really_black_suit"
	item_state = "bl_suit"
	item_color = "black_suit"
	has_sensor = 0
	armor = list(melee = 10, bullet = 0, laser = 0,energy = 0, bomb = 0, bio = 0, rad = 0)
	alt_covers_chest = 1
There's this thing in Object Oriented Languages called "Inheritance"
Any variable not redefined on a subtype is IDENTICAL TO THE VALUE ON THE PARENT TYPE
/tacticool is a subtype of /syndicate, the armour is on /syndicate, and /tacticool doesn't redefine the "armor" list, or it's values, meaning it retains the values of it's parent.
In this case, the armour.

If you're going to use code as evidence, please be able to read it.
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Re: Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by Gun Hog » #146015

If he were a nerd, he would not have made such a mistake! Cosmetic items are a no-no, but what about underclothing? BYOND member only socks, shirts, etc. They cannot be forcibly stripped from the player, except through swapping the bodies.
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Re: Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by PKPenguin321 » #146023

Gun Hog wrote:If he were a nerd, he would not have made such a mistake! Cosmetic items are a no-no, but what about underclothing? BYOND member only socks, shirts, etc. They cannot be forcibly stripped from the player, except through swapping the bodies.
clearly you don't understand the true beauty and applicability of the word nerd

also yeah, undergarments might work. underwear that gives you a massive dong when
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Re: Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by Zellion » #146093

What if we add custom inventory? Depending on how much youve donated you could spawn as several races + new custom ones and with a list of selectable items, like pulse rifles. Maybe they could be dna locked to your byond tag. Also, maybe we could offer in game micro transactions like 5 telecrystals for 10 dollars?
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Re: Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by Steelpoint » #146097

On final thoughts I think we should not allow any donator system to exist at all.

Not only is the way our game is structured make a donator system difficult, but I don't trust the powers that be to keep any donator system to only allow for cosmetic items you get from a vendor.

Considering how many other features creeped their way forward I would not doubt in the future a donator system would start to encroach more onto the game.
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Re: Lizards as donator only privlege

Post by Random Players » #146104

All I can say is that me not knowing that shows why I'm not trying to bug-fix or contribute. And odds are it's a simple case of the one that added Tacticool not knowing about it either somehow. Or just forgot.
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