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Those prices are pretty bad but the ideas are good.

WJ gave me icons for fireproof RIG suits, I will put them in the code soonish.

Why

InsaneHyena wrote:

Why

The solution was sacraficing one prisoner while the others are in the crate

Or asking a badmin nicely to delete one of the walls

Ash walkers nests should be immune to damage the first five minutes of the round. A goliath/watcher spawns on the ashwalker base and kills the nest roundstart literally every other round, and it basically ends the ashwalkers before they even spawn.

Alternatively you could just make mobs unable to spawn in the nest

I'm not a coder, so I have no idea how feasible it is to achieve. But sure, if it's simple to do, than making mobs unable to spawn literally a tile away from the nest is better.

It might require mapping so I'll just shrug and hope someone hears your pleas

How I would do it is make sure an Ash Walker den spawns every round, but make it RnG on whether or not a tendril spawns and blacklist the area from mob spawns.
This would mean the den always spawns in the same place and thus could be improved with mapping if there are problems with how or how not fortified it is.

I don't think a static location for the den would be a good thing

TechnoAlchemist wrote:I don't think a static location for the den would be a good thing

Think quite the opposite is true, along with the stipulation the Majors only get a single spawn. Except this Major Ruin is far as fuck away from the outpost by design. One Major Ruin would spawn per round, such as the ash walker village/harbor, crashed golem ship, any other number of ideas that could be done after being able to work with a static area instead of the (sometimes awful) rng ones.

The chances that one or even more of the spawners will appear is rather high imo, and we can do so much more if we have a static-ish location with which to work and design. Between golem and ash walkers for instance, one of those can easily support ghost recycling, with the division of said ghosts to support both slowing what can be done in a rounds varying time constraints.

Nah multiple majors should spawn in the same round. The conflict they create is pretty great.

The whole gig of lavaland is exploration. Static ruin locations will utterly ruin it.

What lavaland also needs is for mobs not to be generated inside ruins.

At least some. Golem - or worse, vet - ship with a goliath in it is such a meme to play.

I killed a goliath who spawned inside the lab as a lone vet before. It's probably the easiest to kill, you have access to a powerful weapon (saw) and tons of patches.

Golems can deal best with mobs while none of the lavaspawn roles have much in the way of ranged resonator squad lets them avoid damage against standard mobs.

The worst is breathing roles without an oxygen supply starting with a tendril inside or right next to the base even if you win you lose all your air.

So yeah it pretty much has to go everyone but golems probably gets cucked (it will beeline the tendril since ashwalkers aren't there to draw agro when round starts) that and I am pretty sure since tendrils can do it a dragon inside the base is possible for all roles. Maybe just teleport all the jank out to a distance at roundstart away from inhabited wrecks? I dunno.

Can we replace watchers with something less obnoxious? Getting frozen and then having a out of sight goliath aggro you is a death sentence you can't avoid. That and shit freezing you on a planet of lava is fucking stupid.

Alright addendum because I'm mad as fuck right now.

Fix tendril generation that it stops putting them in fucking lava and ruins constantly, I'm getting tired of this shit.

Durkel wrote:Can we replace watchers with something less obnoxious? Getting frozen and then having a out of sight goliath aggro you is a death sentence you can't avoid. That and shit freezing you on a planet of lava is fucking stupid.

Alright addendum because I'm mad as fuck right now.

Fix tendril generation that it stops putting them in fucking lava and ruins constantly, I'm getting tired of this shit.

They shouldnt spawn in the ruins but lava is oke we got boats anyways

BTW you can meathook tendrils/ash walker nests to move them

Going for a watcher and getting ambushed by another mob is pretty terrible I agree however I have a ghetto solution. Throw sand or ore at it. While mining mobs are snowflake bitchtits and immune to all thrown weapon damage they still get agro'd by it letting you lure it a bit closer, also reveals that their stupid projectiles can be dodged at long range.

I don't really have anything to add, other than to say that the semi RNG mapping that lavaland has is the end of a long line of developers making this more and more possible.

This kind of semi rng content generation is the future for open source codebases like ours.

Big ups to everyone and to Kor for making the ultimate realization of all the disparate parts.

TechnoAlchemist wrote:Alternatively you could just make mobs unable to spawn in the nest

This would be nice for all the lavaland spawn bases. Like the veterinary office. Half the time there's a goliath in there right when you spawn. Also, Vet office needs a couple O2 tanks. Golems could use backpacks but I imagine there's a reason why they don't if they haven't gotten them by now.

Can the vets office spawn with an actual torch in the maint area. The penlight does bugger all and there's no real point playing them if you can't see anything.

you can take the desk lamp off the table in the lobby. That's about it.

Watchers not dropping diamond ore and still freezing you on hit is really annoying tbh fampai

Since when do watchers not drop diamond ore, they totally still do.

You have to butcher the watcher now, yeah.

Can there either be a newer safe area for less ore mining or just no windows and just walls on the mining outpost, I've lost count of the times I've went to get a suit only for there to be a goliath squatting outside the outpost waiting to fuck me up, I get tentacled and then it breaks in and ruins the outpost.

Add spelunking
Throw a rope down a chasm to go a level down, rescue miners who fell down and broke their legs or just get more mining

Get lost in the giant caves, you went too deep and your radio doesn't work anymore, cave collapses and other hazards deep down and when you go deep enough you fight Satan. I really recommend playing motherload, that's the idea

replace ore drops from dragon with the staff of storms
replace giant legion staff of storms with a spell book or something

Legion should probably drop a "summon legion" staff or spell

One thing I've noticed is that the two Miner Equipment Lockers on the mining base both have Bluespace Capsules, meaning I oft see people rushing down to get two free capsules right off the bat.

They should be removed for obvious reasons.

Also the mining hardsuit should be buffed to act as a ash storm resistant suit, but with heavy slowdown and being very expensive. Something you wear during a storm, not for everyday mining.

I might be a masochist but I think the regular mining mobs need a buff.

Goliaths aare SUPER easy to kite and kill, the only time I've actually gotten tangled by one is when a spike hit and couldn't move due to lava. Didn't matter much anyway because I had already maxed out my goliath plates so damage was minimal.

Legion are walking medkits. Literally just walk up to to with your pickaxe/knife to kill it. The brood would probably benefit from a damage buff, or at least making the legion actually fight back in melee range.

Watchers are iffy on a buff. Current AI makes them super easy to cheese as all you need to do is bait them to waste their freeze shot when behind something like an ore crate, push up for 1-2 hits, then hide behind the item again to repeat the process. They're a bit dangerous if you aren't careful starting out but the stimpacks negate their main attack completely and make them a little bit above legions at that point.

The boss mobs are fine and tendrils are nice to have as some loot, some of the stuff you can get out of them is pretty fuckin' mediocre though.

Watchers combined with anything but a legion is a very dead miner. You're slowed so you get stunned by goliaths and frozen to death even faster by other watchers and you can't get away.

Goliaths could stand to do more brute, and legions could spawn mobs more rapidly and make them do more damage.

Remove abandoned crate from mining post/make people rushing for abandoned crate valid.

Ash storms are kinda annoying. Is there no way to go out into them? Mining hardsuits do literally nothing? It's just frustrating to have a timer that says "Sorry, but you can't do your job for a while. Sit here and think about what you've done."

Unless its bugged, Ash Storms check for Fire IMMUNITY to see if they do damage or not. So either get some chill potions from Xenobiology, or a Atmos Fire suit, or the Atmos/CE Hardsuit I believe.
I think you can also get some loot from tendrils that makes you immune as well?

Smeller wrote:Remove abandoned crate from mining post/make people rushing for abandoned crate valid.

Get out its the only nostelgia that i have left

@MMMiracles

I agree, when you become more competent, at least in my experience, I've found the mobs to become pretty easy to contend with, Ash Drake aside.

I think a better way forward is going the traditionally MMO route of making two or more varients of the same monster. Keep the current wildlife on the mining z-level as is but add in a additional z-level or two that have better loot but more powerful versions of the base wildlife.

I also think the game needs to guarantee at least one ghost playable faction spawns in, I've seen a few recent rounds where NOTHING of note spawns, from ruins and even ash drakes. Ashwalkers are always interesting to run into but I think there should be at least one thing guaranteed to be on lavaland.

>variants

I was thinking of a couple different ways to do this. Maybe just have random alpha variants that are recolours with a special power or two, or just mutatations that can make individuals faster or whatever.

Or we could do mini-mini bosses (I think dragons are still mini-bosses, but obviously still too tough for the average melee armed team to handle, and for most miners for that matter).

>better loot and more wildlife

Lots of sprites and coding. I have a few ideas for new mobs and megafauna but adding new loot for all of them is gonna be a nightmare. Half the necropolis chest is still filler. It's been really nice having Techno and Zombehz adding new mob drops.

>necropolis/second Z level

I'm still not happy with the first z level honestly, and a bit burned out. Plus I'm fucking awful at mapping in general.

Its 6 in the morning I hope this is coherent.

Just resuse the current loot drops for now.

But the bigger question should be what DO you envision for lavaland? Its kinda hard to guess where the end point is for at least the current z level.

I feel like player ash drakes should be nerfed. Atm they're capable of killing most of the crew and taking on a ERT squad solo. Perhaps it should take time to eat something to gain health back?

Yeah, knew the salt was inbound

Kor wrote:>variants

I was thinking of a couple different ways to do this. Maybe just have random alpha variants that are recolours with a special power or two, or just mutatations that can make individuals faster or whatever.

Are you talking something like, "this round instead of tentacles all goliaths have a fireball lob attack and are colored blue", or are you talking about most enemies being normal but sometimes having elite guys with special powers, kind of like how Diablo II did it?

Sounds cool but be careful not to fall into the blob trap with 20 obscure variants

Cheridan wrote:

Kor wrote:>variants

I was thinking of a couple different ways to do this. Maybe just have random alpha variants that are recolours with a special power or two, or just mutatations that can make individuals faster or whatever.

Are you talking something like, "this round instead of tentacles all goliaths have a fireball lob attack and are colored blue", or are you talking about most enemies being normal but sometimes having elite guys with special powers, kind of like how Diablo II did it?

Sounds cool but be careful not to fall into the blob trap with 20 obscure variants

Perhaps but he may also be refering to my earlier suggestions of having more deeper z-levels of lavland having simply more powerful variations of the base lavaland mobs but with a colour palate swap.

Steelpoint wrote:
Perhaps but he may also be refering to my earlier suggestions of having more deeper z-levels of lavland having simply more powerful variations of the base lavaland mobs but with a colour palate swap.

Random z-levels with increasingly difficult mobs, traps, better loot and ruins, and a fixed bottom level with insanely hard mobs and a final megaboss

let's go all the way in and turn lavaland into a roguelike

Grazyn wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:
Perhaps but he may also be refering to my earlier suggestions of having more deeper z-levels of lavland having simply more powerful variations of the base lavaland mobs but with a colour palate swap.

Random z-levels with increasingly difficult mobs, traps, better loot and ruins, and a fixed bottom level with insanely hard mobs and a final megaboss

let's go all the way in and turn lavaland into a roguelike

But then lavaland would be more fun than the actual game and people would fuck off to explore it

tetracobalt wrote:I feel like player ash drakes should be nerfed. Atm they're capable of killing most of the crew and taking on a ERT squad solo. Perhaps it should take time to eat something to gain health back?

I think when Kor coded them he expressly wanted admins to not use them for shit like that because it makes them wear out really fast. Of course since when does anyone listen to shit like that

Unfortunately for those people everything is logged and I finally bothered checking who's been spawning them this morning, stay tuned for drama.

double finger guns *pew pew*

Accelerators 2 shot ashwalkers its kinda bullshit. If you got an asshole miner they can easily kill you