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Chemistry grenades are way too weak for how much effort they cost to make and how cumbersome they are to use. When was the last time you were killed by a grenade?

Basically chemistry is barely worth it at all for offensive purposes. Almost the only practical use is shooting wizards with lexorin/cyanide darts.

Why spend ages brewing poison when you can get vastly superior poison way more easy by buying a poison kit? (yes not everyone is a traitor, but it shows the discrepancy)

exception are bluespace beaker bombs, but that is a science's toy, not chemistries.


I suggest picking some of these suggestions:

Scrap using large beakers and beakers in grenades, only allow bottle's but increase the potency by 2 or 3 times.
Make wire fuses a bit less random.
Give chemistry more potent poisons to brew, potentially requiers resources from other departments.
Make basic recipes less tedious to make.
Remove the explosion delay on black powder, let black powder spawn smoke to keep it distinct.
Reduce the amount of corn syrup you need for nitroglycerin because now it is ridiculous.


There are probably some of you who claim to be super 1337 with chemistry, but the truth is that it's just almost never used, and when it IS used it is a minor threat, especially compared to what other departments have.

Feel free to make other suggestions or share your opinions.

Bring back smoke

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Bring back smoke

Ohw yeah, and that.

Chemistry doesn't get used not because it's too weak, but because people are incredibly lazy. An incredibly simple 180 phlog grenade(60u phos/30u stable plasma in one beaker and 30u stable plasma/60u sulphuric acid in the other) can burn the entire escape shuttle and kill everyone onboard with no problem. You guys literally just need to git gud

CPTANT wrote:Chemistry grenades are way too weak for how much effort they cost to make and how cumbersome they are to use.

Are you serious? Grenade assemblies are super simple and modular. If you're a botanist trying to ghetto chem grenade then yeah its not supposed to be easy.
Wires fuses are SUPPOSED to be ghetto, use a fucking timer if you want an accurate timer.
Nitro is already the strongest explosive compound you can get. Just no.

CPTANT wrote:When was the last time you were killed by a grenade?

Fucking yesterday by a hallway consuming hellfoam. Nobody escaped that shit. At least 14 people dead.

I've seen a couple of nearly maxcap (4/10/19) grenades go off recently as well, wiping out the shuttle and brig.

Sure acid smoke sucks now, but you can still make really deadly foam/bomb/inferno grenades.

Kor wrote:I've seen a couple of nearly maxcap (4/10/19) grenades go off recently as well, wiping out the shuttle and brig.

Sure acid smoke sucks now, but you can still make really deadly foam/bomb/inferno grenades.

4/10/19 grenades are almost certainly bluespace beakers. 2 large beakers worth of nitroglycerin makes a 3/7/14 iirc.

Wires fuses are SUPPOSED to be ghetto, use a fucking timer if you want an accurate timer.

Then give the chemist a limited amount of those in chemistry.

Shaps wrote:Chemistry doesn't get used not because it's too weak, but because people are incredibly lazy. An incredibly simple 180 phlog grenade(60u phos/30u stable plasma in one beaker and 30u stable plasma/60u sulphuric acid in the other) can burn the entire escape shuttle and kill everyone onboard with no problem. You guys literally just need to git gud

You are not going to kill an entire shuttle with that at all. People just move away from the fireball and the flame and heat dissipate relatively quickly.

CPTANT wrote:Then give the chemist a limited amount of those in chemistry.

Or take a hike down to tool storage to grab a couple for The Big One that you want to go off at exactly the right time.

I like acid buff

CPTANT wrote:

Shaps wrote:Chemistry doesn't get used not because it's too weak, but because people are incredibly lazy. An incredibly simple 180 phlog grenade(60u phos/30u stable plasma in one beaker and 30u stable plasma/60u sulphuric acid in the other) can burn the entire escape shuttle and kill everyone onboard with no problem. You guys literally just need to git gud

You are not going to kill an entire shuttle with that at all. People just move away from the fireball and the flame and heat dissipate relatively quickly.

No, I've successfully purged all life on the escape shuttle with phlog grenades multiple times. Why just yesterday I found a xeno nest in maint west of medbay, ran out and made a phlog grenade withing 45 seconds (including grabbing beakers from the public lathe) and chucked it into maint, which lit everything the fuck up. I went back into maint 3 minutes later to find the fire still burning, and almost died to the heat within 20 seconds of exposure before I saved myself with a burn patch.

Phlog ain't nothing to fuck with

phlog is the 2nd most mixed chem on the server atm, just below unstable mutagen.

Have you guys tried chemfoam recently?

i've never made phlog before. sometimes i use cf3 to burn a man on fire. sometimes also i use darts of poison chemistry murder is fun

still i wish to melt face of acid

A good weak acid would at least break the mask so smoke could put other chemicals inside people.

Really non hellshit or bomb grenades just need a vehicle to get inside people using bargain basement gear they spawn with.

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:Bring back smoke

Who's the limp dick shit eating faggot who took away my blood smoke prank grenades?

When in doubt, it's Goof.

I'm not sure if it was a chemist (im pretty sure it was) or a lavaland meme, but someone tossed a chem nade out this week that:

1) Ate the floor

2) Anyone who walked onto affected tiles would be lit on fire

3) Slipped people


Incredibly robust. You get slipped, start burning to death, and the suction from missing floor tiles would continue to slip you. Absolutely glorious.

Ok chlorine trifluor was recently buffed by goof and it is now indeed hardcore deadly.

You know what, the pyrotechnics are all fine. Its the poisons and smoke that suck.

Stack poisons nerd, even a syringe of cyanide by itself is lethal if they don't get help. Throw in some liquid plasma and they're a goner.

Edit: The above mix results in crit in 45 seconds and death not too long after, and since they get slowed down within a few seconds from damage, they have nowhere near enough time to crawl to medbay. Hit them in maint or arrivals and they're toast

Shaps wrote:Stack poisons nerd, even a syringe of cyanide by itself is lethal if they don't get help. Throw in some liquid plasma and they're a goner.

Edit: The above mix results in crit in 45 seconds and death not too long after, and since they get slowed down within a few seconds from damage, they have nowhere near enough time to crawl to medbay. Hit them in maint or arrivals and they're toast

no shit sherlock, but you can get the extreme turbo poisons that are a complete order of magnitude above that stuff by just taking a poison kit.

iamgoofball wrote:phlog is the 2nd most mixed chem on the server atm, just below unstable mutagen.

Have you guys tried chemfoam recently?

is F O A M E S T R Y back?????

CPTANT wrote:

Shaps wrote:Stack poisons nerd, even a syringe of cyanide by itself is lethal if they don't get help. Throw in some liquid plasma and they're a goner.

Edit: The above mix results in crit in 45 seconds and death not too long after, and since they get slowed down within a few seconds from damage, they have nowhere near enough time to crawl to medbay. Hit them in maint or arrivals and they're toast

no shit sherlock, but you can get the extreme turbo poisons that are a complete order of magnitude above that stuff by just taking a poison kit.

It's almost like traitor items are more lethal and convenient than stuff that you can get for free?

ExcessiveCobblestone wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:phlog is the 2nd most mixed chem on the server atm, just below unstable mutagen.

Have you guys tried chemfoam recently?

is F O A M E S T R Y back?????

Yeah, the same change that made conveyor belts actually useful also made foam spread and process really fast.

iamgoofball wrote:Yeah, the same change that made conveyor belts actually useful also made foam spread and process really fast.

Huh, I was wondering why conveyor belts were hilariously difficult to escape from lately. Neat.

Shaps wrote:

CPTANT wrote:

Shaps wrote:Stack poisons nerd, even a syringe of cyanide by itself is lethal if they don't get help. Throw in some liquid plasma and they're a goner.

Edit: The above mix results in crit in 45 seconds and death not too long after, and since they get slowed down within a few seconds from damage, they have nowhere near enough time to crawl to medbay. Hit them in maint or arrivals and they're toast

no shit sherlock, but you can get the extreme turbo poisons that are a complete order of magnitude above that stuff by just taking a poison kit.

It's almost like traitor items are more lethal and convenient than stuff that you can get for free?

Uhm, No?

The last grenade I used was way back with oldchem and acid smoke was king. I was the CMO, I hid behind a potted plant with a chloral syringe gun. When the clown came by I shot him and drug him back to surgery. Put anesthetic on him and planted a signaler acid smoke grenade in him. Woke him up and shoved him on his way. Later on I saw the clown by my target and set it off. Killed like 10 people. Sweetest green text ever.

CPTANT wrote:

Kor wrote:I've seen a couple of nearly maxcap (4/10/19) grenades go off recently as well, wiping out the shuttle and brig.

Sure acid smoke sucks now, but you can still make really deadly foam/bomb/inferno grenades.

4/10/19 grenades are almost certainly bluespace beakers. 2 large beakers worth of nitroglycerin makes a 3/7/14 iirc.

Wires fuses are SUPPOSED to be ghetto, use a fucking timer if you want an accurate timer.

Then give the chemist a limited amount of those in chemistry.

As a botanist who has often made nitro grenades - a 65/65/65 sulphuric/fluorosulphuric/glycerol mix makes a 5/10/19 explosion. Perfectly mixable in large beakers.

How do you set off the pyro reagents anyway?


I've tried phlog and chlorflor in grenades and mixed with foam/smoke/etc. and nothing happened. Do I need to pre-heat these mixes to some temperature? Phlog doesn't even mention a heat req.

Oldman Robustin wrote:How do you set off the pyro reagents anyway?


I've tried phlog and chlorflor in grenades and mixed with foam/smoke/etc. and nothing happened. Do I need to pre-heat these mixes to some temperature? Phlog doesn't even mention a heat req.

Did you set up the igniter? This is usually what gives off the heat.

phlog is auto ignite on mix

Super Aggro Crag wrote:phlog is auto ignite on mix

Not if you mix it with stabilizing agent

yeah but then you gotta destabilize it to make it blow up

i've not seen a grenade used since goof chem was added

Archie700 wrote:

Oldman Robustin wrote:How do you set off the pyro reagents anyway?


I've tried phlog and chlorflor in grenades and mixed with foam/smoke/etc. and nothing happened. Do I need to pre-heat these mixes to some temperature? Phlog doesn't even mention a heat req.

Did you set up the igniter? This is usually what gives off the heat.

SHeeeeeeeit.

Oldman Robustin wrote:

Archie700 wrote:

Oldman Robustin wrote:How do you set off the pyro reagents anyway?


I've tried phlog and chlorflor in grenades and mixed with foam/smoke/etc. and nothing happened. Do I need to pre-heat these mixes to some temperature? Phlog doesn't even mention a heat req.

Did you set up the igniter? This is usually what gives off the heat.

SHeeeeeeeit.

>the bomb expert does not know how to set up a grenade
You lost your edge.

Mix stabilized phlog, mix some CLF3

phlog in 1 beaker with some smoke reagents, clf3 in the other with the rest of the smoke reagants.

CLF3 basically stays at 1000 degrees all the time so it auto-heats the phlog up to its fire point.

newfren wrote:Mix stabilized phlog, mix some CLF3

phlog in 1 beaker with some smoke reagents, clf3 in the other with the rest of the smoke reagants.

CLF3 basically stays at 1000 degrees all the time so it auto-heats the phlog up to its fire point.

You are better off just mixing CLF3 and foam. Just as deadly with less effort.

I was never that great at robusting with Chems, I try to keep track of the most handy 15-unit syringegun chem, but making powerful grenades, especially the nutty shit you can make with bluespace beakers, has never been my specialty.

I'm learning though, finally got the hellfire grenade working and by god I'm going to fill a shuttle with them someday.

Haven't been able to get lube to work in the mix, seems a little unecessary with foam but its the difference between just walking out of the fire v. being trapped in a hellpool that you cannot possibly survive.

cocothegogo wrote:i've not seen a grenade used since goof chem was added

How often do you play, exactly?

newfren wrote:Mix stabilized phlog, mix some CLF3

phlog in 1 beaker with some smoke reagents, clf3 in the other with the rest of the smoke reagants.

CLF3 basically stays at 1000 degrees all the time so it auto-heats the phlog up to its fire point.

why do you people stabilize phlog

just spread the 3 ingredients out over 2 beakers so you don't even have to worry about the igniter and the stabilizer

CPTANT wrote:

newfren wrote:Mix stabilized phlog, mix some CLF3

phlog in 1 beaker with some smoke reagents, clf3 in the other with the rest of the smoke reagants.

CLF3 basically stays at 1000 degrees all the time so it auto-heats the phlog up to its fire point.

You are better off just mixing CLF3 and foam. Just as deadly with less effort.

cf3 foam is boss

I like to mix some napalm in there for longer burn times.

Are you the one who plays fatty doo doo yellow lizard from videogame?

I used to, but I dropped her.

I can't play what I'd unironically fuck.

I would prefer a hypo needle chemical so poisons and medicine can actually get past basic masks but I'm weird like that.

DemonFiren wrote:I used to, but I dropped her.

I can't play what I'd unironically fuck.

wow dude i really appreciate you telling me this!!!!!!

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:I used to, but I dropped her.

I can't play what I'd unironically fuck.

wow dude i really appreciate you telling me this!!!!!!

All to further my studies into Cragology.

Your reaction was not unexpected in that it was not what I'd expect from the ordinary forum user.

You can make grenades that will melt all of the floors in escape while slipping people with lube at round start with two large beakers. And poison bullshit that will kill anyone in a few seconds if you take the time.

yeah it's not because the chems aren't powerful, it's because they don't bother to make them