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The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than good
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:35 pm
by BananaSenor
Seriously. I have so many good rounds ruined by getting banned by that shit. Please remove it until it works properly, or the server getting brigaded by evil people.
Edit: Honestly, if some people force you to enable a system that randomly bans half the server every few hours, than the terrorists have won. I rather be maxcapped twice a day than getting banned once.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:41 pm
by Lumbermancer
I'm yet to get banned by this. You just need to get good.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:43 pm
by Aloraydrel
>every few hours
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:44 pm
by AnonymousNow
Just happened to me. This Slugger person was the target.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:00 am
by lzimann
Stickyban is a byond feature and not ours, it's really effective against evaders.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:08 am
by BananaSenor
Maybe you guys are not affected, but the server went from 80 to 30 people or so. It is effective against everyone. Is it really worth it? (Honestly, I dont know if its worth it, I dont have the numbers.) Why not have it on a toggle and enable it only when evaders are trying to grief?
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:05 am
by imblyings
it's a sliding scale between freedom and security
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:17 am
by Alex Crimson
Ive been banned by the system a few times now, but honestly if the system is actually catching the proper users, then im fine with it. The inconvenience of an occasional ban is nothing if the stickyban actually sticks to the shit player who earned it.
...and im sure if i ever get banned whilst playing an important role, the admins will be gentle, right? RIGHT?
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:20 am
by onleavedontatme
Better a hundred innocent players get banned than one ban evader go free.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:36 am
by iamgoofball
Kor wrote:Better a hundred innocent players get banned than one ban evader go free.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:07 am
by Davidchan
I dunno, we are the only server I know with stickyban issues. We either have tons of ban evaders or something isn't setup right.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:21 am
by John_Oxford
It's another shitty byond feature, relying on it, even though it does stop the occasional ban evader, causes more harm than good to the player base.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:43 am
by paprika
I don't think it's a question of freedom, it's a question of how annoying it is to get around
Because ban evaders will always get around this amateur garbage
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:11 am
by Bolien
Sounds like Papers Please.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:40 am
by ShadowDimentio
Which banned person is Gorgi then
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:17 am
by MrStonedOne
I have a trick up my sleeve to make the game code automatically detect these false positives and revert the stick bans to before the false positives, i've just been busy coding other projects.
I'll try to pop it higher up on my list.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:48 am
by iamgoofball
I was thinking of making it reject new stickybans placed within 10 minutes of eachother
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:27 pm
by BananaSenor
MrStonedOne wrote:I have a trick up my sleeve to make the game code automatically detect these false positives and revert the stick bans to before the false positives, i've just been busy coding other projects.
I'll try to pop it higher up on my list.
Thanks for looking into it.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:43 pm
by Incomptinence
Well good to know this is being looked into. Seems to be getting more common on my end.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 6:17 pm
by Armhulen
i've never been sticky banned, so I think the answer simply is
Lumbermancer wrote:You just need to get good.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:54 am
by MrStonedOne
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/19201
basically, if in a round, more than:
2 admins
5 already connected users
10 users
trigger, then it will revert the state of the sticky ban to what it was before round start.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:15 am
by AnonymousNow
Banned by host: Whoops guess this guy was evading too. Createbobob
Happened again.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:30 am
by Super Aggro Crag
unban anonymousnow, he is my friend.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:07 pm
by yackemflam
Or add in tarajans and make all tarajans valid
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:13 pm
by DemonFiren
Tajaran.
The term is tajaran.
Or spesskhajiit.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:28 pm
by Jazaen
The CORRECT term is "target practice", mind.
Re: The stickyban system is broken and does more harm than g
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:12 pm
by oranges
Everyone send MSO forum pm's about
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/19201 until he finishes it.