Can we remove birdboat, efficiency and dream from rotation?

[Bombadil]

They are all shit.

Especially birdboat. Birdboat is definitely a low pop map. Should never be on sybil. Efficiency is old and outdated too

[Bluespace]

But there's 2 people who like it and you'll be oppressing them and my code baby and progressive features and *sweats*

Maps should only ever rotate between meta and box.
I'm so tired of rolling antag on other maps because honest to god people act so shitty to end the round anyway.

[ShadowDimentio]

No.

[firecage]

No

[TribeOfBeavers]

Birdboat should have a maximum population, but the rest of the maps are all fine. People just like to meme about anything that isn't meta or box.

[lzimann]

Birdboat can only go if the population is less than 30. So it rarely(if ever) rolls on sybil. And even on bagil I haven't seen it since forever.

[TribeOfBeavers]

Ive seen it on Basil 6 or 7 times. Its always been super late at night, and the rounds usually end within 20 minutes as the engine inevitably explodes or half the crew kills themselves, usually both.

The one time we just skipped the supermatter entirely and used the thermal engine and the round managed to last an hour and a half or so.

[Bombadil]

We had it 3 rounds in a row it was hel

[PKPenguin321]

birdboat has its moments, nuke ops on that map is incredibly fun due to how effective bombs are on it and the vast amount of space around every department

other maps are just shittier metastation though

[oranges]

remove everything but box.

[PKPenguin321]

oh but uh despite what i said a second ago go ahead and remove birdboat from rotation. if admins want to run it and ops now and then that's fine but it shouldnt be in the rotation normally because it can be pretty bad for modes like cult

[Falamazeer]

I was a box supremacist, but now it's honestly kinda stale.
I just also hate meta, It's just similar enough to fuck with your day when you forget where you are.

Let's go back to uterus! bwahahahaha!

[Luke Cox]

Dream and efficiency should be axed entirely. Birdboat should only be in the running during lowpop rounds. When I suggested the current map rotation system, I was thinking that it would be between Box, Meta, and one other map on rotation.

other maps are just shittier metastation though

Finally, something we can agree on

[Bluespace]

I have yet to see a solid argument beyond "LOL GO CRY BOX BABY" for not removing map rotation.
People deliberately and constantly tank the round on purpose to ensure a shuttle call. Last time I saw dream come up, we lost an entire ten players.

[ShadowDimentio]

Their own fault. If someone has so little investment in the round that they'll suicide on a perfectly functional map just because they don't like it then fuck 'em

[PKPenguin321]

but why play dream or eff when you could play box or meta
they're objectively worse maps, sure they're "functional" but that doesn't make them any better

[Anonmare]

Honestly if a map isn't being actively maintained it shouldn't be in rotation.

[Gamarr]

Absolutely detest efficiency and dream maps, and people hate them so much the rounds are almost always a form of suffering normally relegated to rev or changeling rounds.

[Luke Cox]

I have yet to see a solid argument beyond "LOL GO CRY BOX BABY" for not removing map rotation.
People deliberately and constantly tank the round on purpose to ensure a shuttle call. Last time I saw dream come up, we lost an entire ten players.

Because while Box is nice most of us enjoy the variety. We've had multiple polls on this, you are overwhelmingly outnumbered. The problem isn't map rotation, it's that the aforementioned maps are shit.

[Reece]

Effeciency kept rolling on bagel to the point where an admin set the game to sandbox and let us meme for awhilethen force changed it to meta.

[ChangelingRain]

Honestly if a map isn't being actively maintained it shouldn't be in rotation.

I should point out that, at the moment, neither box nor meta are being actively maintained.

[oranges]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/ ... ap+Edit%22

Tell me how many of them are for maps other than box/meta (excluding space ruins)

how can you even make such ridiculous claims.

[MrEousTranger]

I hate all three, you have my vote.

[Gamarr]

I hate all three, you have my vote.

The one having a stipulation in its setting in rotation means it cannot run with more than 30 people, which is entirely alright to me even if the map is not one I am fond of. It is the other two that are forced in consistently without such considerations that make them travesties.

[InsaneHyena]

remove birdboat

Go choke on a bag of dicks. Birdboat is the ultimate ss13 experience, and it's what all maps should strive to be like. I also like it's maints.

[DemonFiren]

remove birdboat

Go choke on a bag of dicks. Birdboat is the ultimate ss13 experience, and it's what all maps should strive to be like. I also like it's maints.

I pray to God that you're being ironic here.
Because else you may be objectively right.

[InsaneHyena]

I've been shilling for Birdboat probably since the rotation was implemented, ligger. In my ideal world, rotation only includes birdboat and box. Or maybe just birdboat.

[Xhuis]

BirdBoat is trash and always will be.
Dream is okay.
Efficiency isn't very good but is playable.
Box and Meta are what we all know by now.
If asked I'd say that the rotation is fine without BirdBoat.

[InsaneHyena]

Ratvar is trash and always will be, the rotation is fine without Ratvar.

[Xhuis]

Oh, so we've gone to bashing me instead of staying on topic. Stay classy, /tg/.
Anyways, I'll list my three main points as to why I dislike BirdBoat.

• It has no Atmospherics system and is thus unrecoverable from bombs
• The layout is largely nonsensical and is a bunch of unrelated rooms thrown together at random
• The two-tile hallways are claustrophobic (this is minor)

[Sidon]

Remove these three shit maps please

starting with birdboat

[Luke Cox]

Oh, so we've gone to bashing me instead of staying on topic. Stay classy, /tg/.
Anyways, I'll list my three main points as to why I dislike BirdBoat.

• It has no Atmospherics system and is thus unrecoverable from bombs
• The layout is largely nonsensical and is a bunch of unrelated rooms thrown together at random
• The two-tile hallways are claustrophobic (this is minor)

To be fair, the lack of atmos could be a positive since lowpop rounds tend to drag out otherwise.

[Xhuis]

Oh, so we've gone to bashing me instead of staying on topic. Stay classy, /tg/.
Anyways, I'll list my three main points as to why I dislike BirdBoat.

• It has no Atmospherics system and is thus unrecoverable from bombs
• The layout is largely nonsensical and is a bunch of unrelated rooms thrown together at random
• The two-tile hallways are claustrophobic (this is minor)

To be fair, the lack of atmos could be a positive since lowpop rounds tend to drag out otherwise.

The lack of a vent and scrubber system is far more disastrous than just bombs. For one, you can't ventcrawl, making antags like morphs nigh impossible and Lesser Form on changelings completely pointless. Two, plasma leaks from a canister stick around forever since there's no doors in the halls (another problem I should have mentioned). Three, it makes atmospheric technicians have no use. At all.