Stunprod change

[onleavedontatme]

Bottom post of the previous page:

5-8 guys armed to the teeth, experienced and balanced around fighting wizards and nuke ops and the entire crew at once (rev) would probably not be paranoid in a traitor round with no uplinks.

but they can't tell the difference between greytide and traitors

So just gulag them both. If they don't want to spend 20 minutes hitting rocks they're not your problem anymore.

That and we banned most serious forms of greytide so if the guy is still moving after that welderbomb he's probably an antag.

There would be less valid hunting because valids would be harder to distinguish from gray tide.

If anything sec is more aggressive against criminal assistants than they are traitors.

As for the traitor, they would have to actually plan and think ahead. Scrounge and steal, lie and con to facilitate their plan.

You can't con and lie if security has magic goggles that rip apart disguises and a 100% ironclad trust in the rest of security.

As for the traitor, they would have to actually plan and think ahead.

That sounds great until a newbie traitor tries to execute his plan and the guy who has played two thousand rounds just punches him to death because he had no special gear to give him an edge.

However this seems to have warped to "I must cause antagonists to fail at all costs, gotta get dat redtext."

I don't think shuttle bombing to stop greentext is really a common scenario, and that guy got banned for it. Most people tend to ignore balloons as well.

[Wyzack]

Yeah shuttlebomber guy was an edge case but it is still indicative of the general antags must fail mindset

[onleavedontatme]

Here look I even dug up my stupid chart I made for why it's always in your best interest to murder the other guy.



This was even more relevant for a couple months when Robustin would use his special OOC admin text to stand out while giving a 10-15 minute lecture on why the player was garbage if they lost the round.

EDIT: I realize it's easier to just say "stop doing that you shitters" but I think people respond way better to positive reinforcement than deterrents, so taking the extra effort to understand why someone is doing something, and then provide them with a more attractive alternative is the best long term option of dealing with issues the thread brings up.

[Gamarr]

All I have to say is that it should be worn on the belt, not the back.
Now, we could do with a larger spear-sized version that functions similar. Except you stun the person you throw it at with a higher % than throwing a stun baton yet has fuckall brute force given it's just a long metal rod with a shocked tip.

[InsaneHyena]

I don't care about paranoia, roleplay or whatever shit. I just hate greyshirts with stun prods, who hunt antags. In fact, I hate greyshirts period. If you wanna fight antags, play security. But no greyshirt player is gonna do that, because it means responsibility and not being shit, actually enforcing the law instead of greytiding and shitting up HoP's office.

[cocothegogo]

sec huds were a mistake

[ShadowDimentio]

People who spout "security isn't supposed to hunt antags" are either delusional admins that don't play the game enough or people who want security/crew to hold nice and still while they shoot them, and cry if they get dunked.

[Reyn]

Here look I even dug up my stupid chart I made for why it's always in your best interest to murder the other guy.



This was even more relevant for a couple months when Robustin would use his special OOC admin text to stand out while giving a 10-15 minute lecture on why the player was garbage if they lost the round.

This fucking chart is accurate as fuck

(I don't even get antags DAILY

[Reyn]

I don't care about paranoia, roleplay or whatever shit. I just hate greyshirts with stun prods, who hunt antags. In fact, I hate greyshirts period. If you wanna fight antags, play security. But no greyshirt player is gonna do that, because it means responsibility and not being shit, actually enforcing the law instead of greytiding and shitting up HoP's office.

REMOVE ASSISTANT

[Lumbermancer]

Pretty sure it was tried already.

[Reyn]

Eh. Make caps office doors unhackable.

[Gun Hog]

Eh. Make caps office doors unhackable.

Pointless. Greyshirts will find another way to break in. Disposal re-routing is one of the more interesting ways in. Stealing the hand tele before the RD can get to it, then using the random function to chance a way in is another strategy. If there is a way in, they Grey Tide WILL find it.

[Sidon]

I don't care about paranoia, roleplay or whatever shit. I just hate greyshirts with stun prods, who hunt antags. In fact, I hate greyshirts period. If you wanna fight antags, play security. But no greyshirt player is gonna do that, because it means responsibility and not being shit, actually enforcing the law instead of greytiding and shitting up HoP's office.

lol you can get away with so much shit as security now, maybe they should play it

responsibility my ass

[Falamazeer]

the fact that Atlanta Ned and Falamazeer think it's a good change honestly makes me think we should revert it.

Cute.

Well, you're a fruit. Nuff said.

[killerx09]

Are Captains/HoPs still allowed to lethal people who break into the Captain's Office at roundstart?

I'm honestly surprised I don't see it done more.

[D&B]

Are Captains/HoPs still allowed to lethal people who break into the Captain's Office at roundstart?

I'm honestly surprised I don't see it done more.

I mean if you can get bwoinked as HoS for lethaling a clown that entered your office. I suppose that would be allowed by certain admins

[Atlanta-Ned]

the fact that Atlanta Ned and Falamazeer think it's a good change honestly makes me think we should revert it.

You know I'm right though, bby.

[Jembo]

Make it so Teleprods can be worn on your back if you're gonna make them bulky.

[Slignerd]

Are teleprods affected to begin with?

[lzimann]

no because i didn't have sprites when i made this change(if anyone makes me one I can change teleprods aswell)

[Slignerd]

Nah, I believe teleprods are fine. The difference between teleprod and stunprod is that the teleprod is harder to make (needs a bluespace crystal, so you've got to have ORM access) and it doesn't serve as simply a makeshift stunbaton. It also doesn't allow you to restrain someone at all - since they're teleported away from you. It's most often used to keep tresspassers out rather than to assault or stun someone.

So when it comes to mechanics, I think it's fine to allow teleprods to be stored in backpacks.

[Jembo]

You cannot put teleprods in packs I believe.

[Slignerd]

Oh? Shame, it was a good side weapon for Scientists to remove tresspassers. It'd be a shame to be forced to sacrifice everything else only to have it on them at all.

[PKPenguin321]

Make it so Teleprods can be worn on your back if you're gonna make them bulky.

you already can