/tg/Station 13

There was a brief time when spears could break doors. It took like three minutes and wasn't worth it at all, but was fun if you wanted to UNGA your way into places. Bring it back.

they still can if you sharpen them

Sharpening only happens when the chef DOESNT sharpen his knife with the ONE sharpening stone he has.

Soo.....When can we get the second stone back?

firecage wrote:Soo.....When can we get the second stone back?

Camp the shuttle and kill the other chef when he arrives.

it's a rod with a shard of glass attached to it with a wire

And airlocks are tinfoil sheets wired to an RC car motor, your point?

TechnoAlchemist wrote:they still can if you sharpen them

I don't want to murder the chef.

Pro tip : Throw your spear at the door until the door breaks. alternatively : Get good.

Breaking doors with spears doesn't even make sense. You're hitting a thick metal door with a piece of glass tied to the end. If anything the glass should break off the spear

Jacough wrote:Breaking doors with spears doesn't even make sense. You're hitting a thick metal door with a piece of glass tied to the end. If anything the glass should break off the spear

Shhhh
Considering that a spessman can exerte about
15.5 petajoules of energy from their arms at the weakest.
210 petajoules is the tsar bomba at its half power.
Just pushing their arm out would obliterate the airlock.

Edit: note im fucking retarded when it comes to the scientific quotations so that 15.5 petajoules most likely either 10x weaker or 100x weaker than the real number.

Where did you get 15.5 petajoules from? Unarmed melee punches? Dragging stuff?

TheNightingale wrote:Where did you get 15.5 petajoules from? Unarmed melee punches? Dragging stuff?

From the old autism spessman research pile I did. Took an average force a human can exerte in a punch, based on mass, accelerations and spessman capabilites.
Mostly spessman can move faster than light so that's it really.

"Average spessman punches 15.5 petajoules of energy" factoid actualy just statistical error. Average spessman punches 100 joules of energy. Spessman Georg, who lives in maint & energies over 10,000 petajoules a punch, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

you can throw spears at doors and they eventually break

Spears damage muh immersion, honestly. I'd like to see them get a -5 reduction in damage unless you're an ash walker or someone else with actual proficiency in primitive melee weapons.

Spears are in general the best melee weapon in real life. It takes barley any training to use one since it is just a sharp long range poking stick that can easily kill a man. Plus the distance on real spears is amazing. If anything we should allow spears to attack at least 1 tile ahead of you

TheColdTurtle wrote:Spears are in general the best melee weapon in real life. It takes barley any training to use one since it is just a sharp long range poking stick that can easily kill a man. Plus the distance on real spears is amazing. If anything we should allow spears to attack at least 1 tile ahead of you

Seriously long swords weren't even a thing until Iron. You would bend the swords using them for murder. Also spears could be used for hunting and fishing. Swords were solely for murdering another human being.

As they say in the sweet land of skyrim, the gods gave you two hands, and you use them both for your weapon. I can respect that.

Spears are not in skyrim though because bethesda does not know how to use them.

TheColdTurtle wrote:Spears are not in skyrim though because bethesda does not know how to use them.

m-morrowind

half the stuff that breaks doors shouldn't break doors imo

a spear is a stick with a glass shard on it it shouldn't be able to structurally damage something made out of steel

PKPenguin321 wrote:you can throw spears at doors and they eventually break

Normal airlocks have 20 damage deflection and spears have throwforce 20, so I guess the damage would be 0? Bone spears however have throwforce 22 so they would break a door eventually

Grazyn wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:you can throw spears at doors and they eventually break

Normal airlocks have 20 damage deflection and spears have throwforce 20, so I guess the damage would be 0? Bone spears however have throwforce 22 so they would break a door eventually

no, effective damage is not 0. i break doors with thrown spears frequently.

Grazyn wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:you can throw spears at doors and they eventually break

Normal airlocks have 20 damage deflection and spears have throwforce 20, so I guess the damage would be 0? Bone spears however have throwforce 22 so they would break a door eventually

what do you mean "damage deflection"? (there's no such thing in the game)
Do you mean armour? if so, that's a percentage, so that's 20% of 20 which is 4 blocked, so 16 damage.
If you mean the damage thresholds, minimum damage required to deal damage at all, then that's just a "dmg >= dmg_threshold" check, it never alters the actual damage, meaning you'd be doing 20 (because 20 == the dmg_threshold there, which is the = part of >= )

Yeah I was wrong, there's a var called damage_deflection, but that's the threshold and it works like you said. Throwing spears does indeed full 20 damage to normal airlocks.

Give spears a HP pool that goes down as they're thrown so that you have to keep rebuilding your broken piece of shit spear

(except if you're an ashligger because lavaland mobs have tuff bones and sinews)