Shotguns are the ultimate counter

[calzilla1]

See a traitor even if he has a double meme sword? Buckshot him to death
Changeling? See traitor
Wizard? See traitor
Ops? See traitor
Rev? See traitor
Monkey? See traitor
Cult base? Blow down the door with meteor/frag round and clear out with insindiary/ buckshot
Malf? See cult

[John_Oxford]

for traitor
>adrenals
>medkit
>revolver
>ebow+esword memes
for ling
>miss
>ling armor
>ling space suit
>fleshmend
>regen stasis
for ops/wizard
>much better insta kill gear than you
for rev
>implying you have enough shotgun shells
for money
>see rev
for cult + ai
>what is shunting/stun runes/cult armor

EDIT:
if it was that good i'd have one every round

[calzilla1]

for traitor
>adrenals
>medkit
>revolver
>ebow+esword memes
for ling
>miss
>ling armor
>ling space suit
>fleshmend
>regen stasis
for ops/wizard
>much better insta kill gear than you
for rev
>implying you have enough shotgun shells
for money
>see rev
for cult + ai
>what is shunting/stun runes/cult armor

EDIT:
if it was that good i'd have one every round

Still cant save ya from the shotgun chainsaw. Also ive killed many a wiznerd by shotgun

[Shaps-cloud]

Breaking news: guns kill people
Breaking news: incredibly niche and hard to make ammunition that requires rare and secured guns has situational uses

[CPTANT]

riot shotgun with buckshot is surprisingly robust.

Just use hotkeys to reload and fire away.

[PKPenguin321]

riot shotgun with buckshot is surprisingly robust.

Just use hotkeys to reload and fire away.

Well yeah, it does like revolver damage

[Not-Dorsidarf]

riot shotgun with buckshot is surprisingly robust.

Just use hotkeys to reload and fire away.

Well yeah, it does like revolver damage

Fun fact: a sawn-off combat shotgun with slug ammo is basically an 8-shot revolver.

The lethal rounds for shotguns are all really lethal, they make laser rifles look like pop tubs.

[DemonFiren]

Dorsi, combat shotties only hold 6 rounds.
Plus they can't be sawn off if I'm reading the code right. Only riot shotties, improvised shotties and the bartender's double-barrel.

[Shaps-cloud]

Yeah shotguns are much less wieldy than laser guns

[imblyings]

shotguns are used often by imperial navy boarding teams in the tight confines of space ships

the fact that they are similarly very useful in a 2d atmos spess simulator on a space station incredibly pleases me

[onleavedontatme]

Shotguns aren't rare though. Shotguns are roughly 600 points each in cargo, and a welding tank exports for 500 (not to mention plasma exports for 500 an ore, and you get an average 3 ores per vein).

Between exports and stocks cargo is usually drowning in points.

[Grazyn]

Plasma is also quite common on lavaland and is probably the least needed ore in science, even less than metal or glass. You can usually vend a full stack from the ORM without anyone complaining, then sell it and you're set for the whole round

[firecage]

Though, considering combat/riot shotguns are often the only way to counter specific murderboning antags. Whether it is a traitor with a double esword, a blinking wizard, or a changeling repeatedly healing himself and getting up from stuns. Make it harder to counter them with a shotgun in any way, and those antags would be getting a massive unneeded buff, since it would be even harder to down them.

[Davidchan]

Plasma is ubiquitous because lots of jobs can use it but in regular rounds they rarely are.

Off the top of my head, PACMANs burn plasma for fuel, but are never used because our current engines put out 10x the power you'd ever need with default set ups. Bartender can make a few drinks, which aren't any different to the drinks he can make for zero effort. Virology and Xenobio use them for their work, but start with enough sheets between them to max out their efforts, xenobio can even produce more with a little favor from RNGesus. Chemistry can use ground plasma in a few recipes but rarely ever uses more than they start with.

We probably could lower the plasma spawn rate a tad or come up with new ways to use plasma so that shipping all but the first 20-50 sheets you get off on the shuttle isn't the only real use they have.

Getting the crates open can be a bit of work for Cargo but yeah if a CT or QM wants a shotgun there's about 4 or 5 different ways they can go about getting it without getting ID access.

[Shaps-cloud]

Shotguns aren't rare though. Shotguns are roughly 600 points each in cargo, and a welding tank exports for 500 (not to mention plasma exports for 500 an ore, and you get an average 3 ores per vein).

Between exports and stocks cargo is usually drowning in points.

Yeah but just carrying a combat shotgun around requires that you either be actively holding it in your hands (a massive escalation risk at best and an invitation for people to steal it from you/murder you at worst), or have it on your back which means you're holding your backpack which you also don't really want to get slapped out of your hands. Riot shotguns, which can actually be stowed on armor or in bags if sawed off are the rarest gun type on station from roundstart

[confused rock]

Getting the crates open can be a bit of work for Cargo but yeah if a CT or QM wants a shotgun there's about 4 or 5 different ways they can go about getting it without getting ID access.

can't you just like dip the crate in lava

[onleavedontatme]

Shotguns aren't rare though. Shotguns are roughly 600 points each in cargo, and a welding tank exports for 500 (not to mention plasma exports for 500 an ore, and you get an average 3 ores per vein).

Between exports and stocks cargo is usually drowning in points.

Yeah but just carrying a combat shotgun around requires that you either be actively holding it in your hands (a massive escalation risk at best and an invitation for people to steal it from you/murder you at worst), or have it on your back which means you're holding your backpack which you also don't really want to get slapped out of your hands. Riot shotguns, which can actually be stowed on armor or in bags if sawed off are the rarest gun type on station from roundstart

Assistants/cargo tech/qm/lawyer/botanista/all the other filler civillian jobs generally don't have huge inventory management concerns and can afford to ditch their bags, especially in war ops or wizard in which you're not going to be doing your work anyway.

[Kel]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

[CPTANT]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

I tried.

[Shaps-cloud]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

[CPTANT]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Lasers are horrible

[Kel]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Sorry, the nuke ops weapons are also viable lethal weapons because they have stamina damage attached to them.

[BeeSting12]

Riot shotgun is the best roundstart weapon security has besides the .38.

[Reece]

Buff options for lasers. Let us change out their cell, give them mining style upgrade kits.

[Shaps-cloud]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Lasers are horrible

Being able to deal 40-60 burn damage from range through windows in the time it takes to swing a melee weapon one time is horrible? You're the only trash one here

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Sorry, the nuke ops weapons are also viable lethal weapons because they have stamina damage attached to them.

If you can't land 5 shots on someone with a laser gun you have absolutely no hope of ever killing anyone with any kind of melee weapon short of a crutch like a double esword to begin with

[DemonFiren]

Just return old infirange tasers.
Paptasers were a mistake.

[Kel]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Lasers are horrible

Being able to deal 40-60 burn damage from range through windows in the time it takes to swing a melee weapon one time is horrible? You're the only trash one here

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Sorry, the nuke ops weapons are also viable lethal weapons because they have stamina damage attached to them.

If you can't land 5 shots on someone with a laser gun you have absolutely no hope of ever killing anyone with any kind of melee weapon short of a crutch like a double esword to begin with

or you could use disablers for a identical or even better effect

[CPTANT]

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Lasers are horrible

Being able to deal 40-60 burn damage from range through windows in the time it takes to swing a melee weapon one time is horrible? You're the only trash one here

Shotguns are the only viable lethal weapon in the game by merit of they are stun weapons but they instantly make you horizontal with a black screen rather than instantly horizontal but you can still see around you.
Buff lasers please

This is a blatantly wrong opinion

Sorry, the nuke ops weapons are also viable lethal weapons because they have stamina damage attached to them.

If you can't land 5 shots on someone with a laser gun you have absolutely no hope of ever killing anyone with any kind of melee weapon short of a crutch like a double esword to begin with

Funny part is of course that dealing 40-60 burn damage means shit if that melee weapon happens to be a stun baton. Stunned -> dead.

lasers are horrible because everything else is better.

taser -> instant stun
disabler -> takes 3 shots instead of 5 while having way more ammo
riot shotgun -> 2 shots to crit with buckshot or 2 shots to knockout with beans.
stetchkin -> 25 damage, does bleeding damage.

There isn't any ranged weapon as wimpy as the laser.

[1g88a]

Here is my shotgun-based counter: Shotguns are cool+badass.

That said one thing that kinda nags at me is how the "universal suppressor" has so few applications outside the sketchin when most on-station firearms cannot accept one. You'd have to nab something from cargo or research if you want to silence something different. Maybe make a more expensive "shotgun suppressor" as an option.

[onleavedontatme]

We probably could lower the plasma spawn rate a tad or come up with new ways to use plasma so that shipping all but the first 20-50 sheets you get off on the shuttle isn't the only real use they have.

Did you see the 3-4 page recently of people complaining that miners die too much and we need to bring back asteroid so science can get minerals? There is no way in hell we could tie more jobs into a system that doesn't work 100% each round. People will just whine and open more "quality of life" PRs until every job starts with 50 sheet stacks of plasma if you make it required for things.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Everyone ignores custom tech shells.

Ion shells (which spread to cover compact rooms, can wipe out box-stations AI lobby next to the sat teleporter in 1 sweep affecting the turrets & turning off pingsky) BRUTALISE AI's when people remember how to use them.

> Get atleast 4-6 ion bullets, they are pretty expensive but worth it
> Get the CE or someone reliable with a RCD
> Shoot ahead with ions and let the engie tackle the doors because fuck hacking the doors, too long
> Shoot the ai with regular/ions when you are in their 'safe space'

I can't remember if there is a difference between incendiary shells being single shot, or dragon fire tech shells being a spread shot that shoots jets of fire.

[yackemflam]

Buff lasers will explain why in 24 hours after my flight home from taiwan

[yackemflam]

Dorsi, combat shotties only hold 6 rounds.
Plus they can't be sawn off if I'm reading the code right. Only riot shotties, improvised shotties and the bartender's double-barrel.

Jesus nobody is correct.
They hold 7 shells.
1 in the chamber 6 in the barrel.
Do coders/admins actually play the game?

[Cobby]

We probably could lower the plasma spawn rate a tad or come up with new ways to use plasma so that shipping all but the first 20-50 sheets you get off on the shuttle isn't the only real use they have.

Did you see the 3-4 page recently of people complaining that miners die too much and we need to bring back asteroid so science can get minerals? There is no way in hell we could tie more jobs into a system that doesn't work 100% each round. People will just whine and open more "quality of life" PRs until every job starts with 50 sheet stacks of plasma if you make it required for things.

When are we going to shill Rule 10 "get over it" PRs that revert the "QoL" changes that are basically reskinned powercreep features?

[Cik]

create more ways to get minerals

it would be trivial to come up with a way for engineering to do it for instance

i can think of a few

>asteroid tractor beam (requires power, gives randomized resources)
>transmutation machine (resources for power)
>plasma tank solidifier thing (same)
etc etc

"""""""free""""""" minerals with """"""""no risk""""""" and engineering gets something to do easy peasy

add a little risk for emagging, power overloads etc if not managed properly, station gets more dangerous, science gets another source of material, engineering gets something to do, literally easy man

[Cobby]

i'm tired of the elusive emag getting functions tbh. It should not be a required staple to sabotage something.

[Cik]

it's an engineering subsystem. it should have wires. lots of wires.

engineering needs way more "active" subsystems that take time, attention and skill. pretty much all of engineering's stuff runs on total autopilot with no incentive to manage it at all.

[yackemflam]

/vg/ has like 5 engines to run round start

[FantasticFwoosh]

Dorsi, combat shotties only hold 6 rounds.
Plus they can't be sawn off if I'm reading the code right. Only riot shotties, improvised shotties and the bartender's double-barrel.

Jesus nobody is correct.
They hold 7 shells.
1 in the chamber 6 in the barrel.
Do coders/admins actually play the game?

I sometimes wonder...

But i digress, the bartender at low pop is basically a vigilante hero, stopping those esworders/shitters dead in their tracks with the beanbag rounds (which used to be bad, but then with some changes became super good again)

[CPTANT]

i'm tired of the elusive emag getting functions tbh. It should not be a required staple to sabotage something.

Less emagging, more hacking through cutting wires.

[TehSteveo]

I think the same complaints were levied against DICE for shotguns in Battlefield games.

[FantasticFwoosh]

I think the same complaints were levied against DICE for shotguns in Battlefield games.

Are shotguns the universal best midrange weapon out there?

[Grazyn]

On BF you can set server restrictions though. We could make the third server BOX ONLY 24/7 NO SHOTGUN/NO EXPLOSIVES NEWBIES WELCOME

[oranges]

good job, now there are nerfs coming.

Enjoy what happens next.

[Incomptinence]

What really nerfs over a tears thread like this? Boomstick kill he plz nerf!

[1g88a]

good job, now there are nerfs coming.

Enjoy what happens next.

I sincerely hope this is a joke.

I think the same complaints were levied against DICE for shotguns in Battlefield games.

In BF the shotguns can be turned into sniper rifles/fire HE rounds all the time