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Growth Hormone

Post by Arianya » #234027

AKA: The stuff that makes people 18 tiles tall

I'm really not a fan. Beyond the fact that it serves no real game purpose other then making people's hitbox larger, it breaks the aesthetic of the game to have icons stretched to 10 times their usual size, and causes issues.

Among other things, there are dangerous possibilities like hiding a bomb underneath your huge sprite.

Suggestions for improvement:
  • Limit upsizing to somewhere more functional, 2 or 3 sizes
  • Make upsized people occupy more space
    i.e. Upsized people won't fit into single width hallways or doorways, and can't hide dense stuff under their sprite due to knocking it out of the way
  • Make continue growth hormone use cause damage of some sort (toxin? cellular?)
  • Just remove it entirely
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by Bombadil » #234029

Arianya wrote:AKA: The stuff that makes people 18 tiles tall

I'm really not a fan. Beyond the fact that it serves no real game purpose other then making people's hitbox larger, it breaks the aesthetic of the game to have icons stretched to 10 times their usual size, and causes issues.

Among other things, there are dangerous possibilities like hiding a bomb underneath your huge sprite.

Suggestions for improvement:
  • Limit upsizing to somewhere more functional, 2 or 3 sizes
  • Make upsized people occupy more space
    i.e. Upsized people won't fit into single width hallways or doorways, and can't hide dense stuff under their sprite due to knocking it out of the way
  • Make continue growth hormone use cause damage of some sort (toxin? cellular?)
  • Just remove it entirely

Fucking colossi are 3 tiles tall and only occupy a single tile. Same with bubblegum
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by Arianya » #234030

Bombadil wrote:snip

They're also sprited to fit those sizes, as opposed to stretching an existing tile.

e: Also NPC mobs and not players, barring the use of items from their defeat
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by Lumbermancer » #234037

Arianya wrote:[*]Just remove it entirely[/list]
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by CPTANT » #234075

I don't see what this adds except for ugly stretched sprites.
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Post by Grazyn » #234094

I main lizard and even I am sick of those friggin Godzillas roaming the station
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Post by Digdugxx » #234098

This is the second feature discussion I've caused :]
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by Arianya » #234245

Digdugxx wrote:This is the second feature discussion I've caused :]
Would you care to voice your opinion on the feature/the suggested improvements? You do have first dibs on changes to the feature, as its yours.
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by Digdugxx » #234258

Arianya wrote:
Digdugxx wrote:This is the second feature discussion I've caused :]
Would you care to voice your opinion on the feature/the suggested improvements? You do have first dibs on changes to the feature, as its yours.
No it's not mine, I just milked the crap out of it and made people realize how ridiculous it is. It's fun but it needs to be removed / nerfed because no one should be able to make the entire station giants that easily.
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Post by Alipheese » #234260

Keep. It's fun.

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Post by karlnp » #234785

CPTANT wrote:I don't see what this adds except for ugly stretched sprites.
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Post by confused rock » #234786

wait whatd digdug do this time
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by oranges » #234896

iirc it was added as a homage to a bug that people could exploit to blow themselves up into giants.
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by PKPenguin321 » #234898

Is this thread about growth serum? If so, I first PRed it to just be a sort of gag chem like space drugs (not really in reference to anything despite what oranges said), then it got moved to a botany mushroom for thematic purposes, then my PR died so somebody else took it and added a pulse effect, and then just a little while ago somebody else made it so that you can grow EXTRA SUPER HUGE the more serum you have in you. I'm guessing by this thread that the last PR to change it was too extreme, and if so, it can be easily adjusted.
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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #234911

Sounds fun
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Post by 1g88a » #234914

Instead create a big head mode drug
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Post by Digdugxx » #234915

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Post by danno » #234919

growth hormone should increase your empty hand damage depending on how much you have in you but should also not last very long
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Post by Digdugxx » #234946

Maybe make the sprites vectors so they scale and look normal? I don't know if you can do that, I'm no expert
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Post by Remie Richards » #235043

Digdugxx wrote:Maybe make the sprites vectors so they scale and look normal? I don't know if you can do that, I'm no expert
That is not something in our control.
Sprites for DM are .dmi files (just pngs with zTxt info), so they're raster images only (no vectors)

they're blurry here, because the scaling algorithm used is for "best quality", which typically ruins pixel art.
The one we'd want, which we have requested before, is Nearest Neighbour, which can scale pixel art without blurring it.
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Post by Super Aggro Crag » #235053

Possibly invoke the square cube law so you overdose on Growth Hormone when you get too big and collapse under your own weight
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Post by calzilla1 » #235061

We vore now
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Post by karlnp » #235063

Super Aggro Crag wrote:Possibly invoke the square cube law so you overdose on Growth Hormone when you get too big and collapse under your own weight
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Post by Sweaterkittens » #235560

I agree with what others have said here, that it's lost its luster and could probably do with being removed. It was hysterical the first time I saw it, now it's just a bored geneticist using it on themselves or the clown every other round. It's a funny thing that's been pretty thoroughly driven into the dust.

If it were to stay in, I'd say give it a timer so they at least return to normal size eventually.
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Post by Digdugxx » #235561

a) its a botanist plant chemical not geneticist and b) it already does decrease your size after the chemical in your body is used up.. it's just that if you consume lots of it (there's no OD) then you'll basically be like a giant forever
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Post by Sweaterkittens » #235562

Digdugxx wrote:a) its a botanist plant chemical not geneticist and b) it already does decrease your size after the chemical in your body is used up.. it's just that if you consume lots of it (there's no OD) then you'll basically be like a giant forever
Ah, I haven't played in a few months, I didn't know that. Either way, it's just a bored botanist doing it instead of a bored geneticist. Maybe make the reagent metabolize faster? Or lower the OD threshold, that seems like the most reasonable fix.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #235599

I lowered the growth values to cap out at 3.5 rather than 5
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Post by Bombadil » #235873

oranges wrote:iirc it was added as a homage to a bug that people could exploit to blow themselves up into giants.
No... growth hormone was put in because it was a mario reference
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #235910

Bombadil wrote:
oranges wrote:iirc it was added as a homage to a bug that people could exploit to blow themselves up into giants.
No... growth hormone was put in because it was a mario reference
Read my post nerd I put it in since I liked the resize mechanic and wanted a not-buggy way to access it as a player
Originally it was gonna be in its own mushroom though so yeah kind of a mario reference but that's not the reason I first made it
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Post by calzilla1 » #235913

Make a admin spawnable SUPER SHROOM that can make you like 10x/15x/100x bigger
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Post by Sweaterkittens » #235949

PKPenguin321 wrote:I lowered the growth values to cap out at 3.5 rather than 5
A reasonable change instead of sweeping nerfs/buffs or removing it outright? I thought I was on /tg/ station.

But seriously that makes it a lot more tolerable, thanks.
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Post by Arianya » #236001

Sweaterkittens wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:I lowered the growth values to cap out at 3.5 rather than 5
A reasonable change instead of sweeping nerfs/buffs or removing it outright? I thought I was on /tg/ station.

But seriously that makes it a lot more tolerable, thanks.
Hey don't give me that shit, I suggested limiting its growth value as well! :mad:

Will take a gander at this soon and see if its less intolerable.

Also, one possibility that you might not have considered PK, I believe reagents stop being catalyzed if someone dies, which would leave them at max size forever once dead. Not sure if theres a way to fix that without some snowflakey check for growth serum though.
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #236334

Arianya wrote:
Sweaterkittens wrote:
PKPenguin321 wrote:I lowered the growth values to cap out at 3.5 rather than 5
A reasonable change instead of sweeping nerfs/buffs or removing it outright? I thought I was on /tg/ station.

But seriously that makes it a lot more tolerable, thanks.
Hey don't give me that shit, I suggested limiting its growth value as well! :mad:

Will take a gander at this soon and see if its less intolerable.

Also, one possibility that you might not have considered PK, I believe reagents stop being catalyzed if someone dies, which would leave them at max size forever once dead. Not sure if theres a way to fix that without some snowflakey check for growth serum though.
good point, not sure how i'd fix unfortunately
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Post by D&B » #236338

Make it gib the person on death :honk:
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Post by Screemonster » #236345

D&B wrote:Make it gib the person on death :honk:
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Re: Growth Hormone

Post by FantasticFwoosh » #266384

There isn't even a option to reduce your sprite into a more compact version like we see in alien queen & drake.

Making you smaller but having a big hitbox (like alien queen) & temporary hulk powers would be a worthwhile use of growth hormone.

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