Goof Gunsmithing

John_Oxford · Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:08 pm

He test merged it, and as the gunsmithing nigger, here's my opinion

*Deconning the console on box and putting it back together creates a core RD console, this needs to be fixed.
*Lasers, Disablers, and Projectiles do piss poor damage of their respective types, and there is no way to change this
*There is a very limited amount of parts and types, and sometimes duplicate parts in the machines list, the spites, all thought modular, aren't really that great
*The placement of the items in the armory is a bit meh

goof im going to go do some work on this

im going to zip it and send it to you in a message, i want you to merge it for me since i dont know how, trust me it'll be great. ill post the changelog here

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:21 am #242162

just learn how to make a pr

Deitus · Post by **Deitus** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:09 pm #242307

I personally think this has always been a bad idea and would see it removed. This is just goodchem with guns, ads tedium for no reason when something was perfectly fine and needed no changes

Post by **oranges** » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:19 pm #242314

Why did you put this in spriting and mapping?

Can move it to code feedback if you want

Post by **Atlanta-Ned** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:51 am #242429

I'm not sure why this replaces EVERY GUN in the armory(game?). It could nicely compliment our existing weapon options. I think there's a happy medium to be struck there. The sprites also don't reflect the charge level or the mode (stun/disable/lethal), which makes it difficult to keep track of things. I do, overall, like it though.

ShadowDimentio · Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:55 am

Does anything mess with the charge rate or capacity of the guns? 'Cause I swear it takes longer.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:13 am #242449

new sprites have charge/mode indicators, goof just has to readd functionality for it

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:42 am #242489

Working on it now, yeah

TheNightingale · Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:44 pm

The tasers Security starts with:
- Can't have seclites attached
- Have no indication of mode (stun/disable; previously yellow/blue)
- Have no indication of charge (i.e. you can't tell how many shots they have left)

Is this a hidden Sec nerf?

I love the concept, and the implementation isn't bad, but it's a little rough around the edges.

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:03 pm #242592

it can be fixed, once goof gunsmithing is merged all the other coders can rush in to fix it

(DURING A CODE FREEZE, TOO!)

Post by **Arianya** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:17 pm #242597

Armhulen wrote:it can be fixed, once goof gunsmithing is merged all the other coders can rush in to fix it

(DURING A CODE FREEZE, TOO!)

Its really not wise to implement code with fundamental issues on the basis of "eh, someone else will probably fix it", that just leads to poor player experience and reverts.

Post by **Armhulen** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:20 pm #242600

goofcode either gets merged or dies on the spot, not that it justifies anything, you have a good point.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:29 pm #242605

Post some of the new sprites

Haevacht · Post by **Haevacht** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:56 am #242885

Arianya wrote:
Armhulen wrote:it can be fixed, once goof gunsmithing is merged all the other coders can rush in to fix it

(DURING A CODE FREEZE, TOO!)
Its really not wise to implement code with fundamental issues on the basis of "eh, someone else will probably fix it", that just leads to poor player experience and reverts.

You have nailed goof's entire MO.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:36 pm #242958

Arianya wrote:
Armhulen wrote:it can be fixed, once goof gunsmithing is merged all the other coders can rush in to fix it

(DURING A CODE FREEZE, TOO!)
Its really not wise to implement code with fundamental issues on the basis of "eh, someone else will probably fix it", that just leads to poor player experience and reverts.

You're right in theory but Armhulen has a point, since goofcrafting will be merged anyway, it's much better to merge it during a codefreeze so bugs will be fixed faster

Post by **Arianya** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:49 pm #242960

Grazyn wrote:
Arianya wrote:
Armhulen wrote:it can be fixed, once goof gunsmithing is merged all the other coders can rush in to fix it

(DURING A CODE FREEZE, TOO!)
Its really not wise to implement code with fundamental issues on the basis of "eh, someone else will probably fix it", that just leads to poor player experience and reverts.
You're right in theory but Armhulen has a point, since goofcrafting will be merged anyway, it's much better to merge it during a codefreeze so bugs will be fixed faster

Or you know, coders will fix some of the 700 something other issues and ignore goofguns until they're reverted because people will be reluctant to be seen to be the person responsible for fixing goofguns while the creator himself tends not to do bugfixes and leaves it in favour of whatever new project.

I'll moderate my statement by saying that I dislike goofguns and it might be tinging my opinion of its viability if merged, it may be that as you say if goofguns are implemented now that they'll get bugfixes and be functional.

Post by **Armhulen** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:28 pm #242973

I mean I agree it's a shitty move but if you're going to pull that you might as well do it during a freeze

ShadowDimentio · Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:21 pm

Gunsmithing is cool and I approve of having a job to do as warden besides keeping antags off my cock armory and occasionally processing prisoners that I can't just execute.

Also official petition to rename the thread to Goofcrafting

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:10 pm #243020

ShadowDimentio wrote: Also official petition to rename the thread to Goofcrafting

No

Incomptinence · Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:23 am

Energy consumption is not balanced to upgraded cells or even basic cells at all. Roundstart tech you can increase laser ammo capacity 15 times. The super frame seems to take this even further

I saw in last round in Zoey's player's own words:

OOC: Firecage: Full Automatic Laser Gun doing 2x the damage with a few hundred shots

This was in a blob round, it was a one sided massacre.

kevinz000 · Post by **kevinz000** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:14 am #243741

As the self claimed bug-balance tester of this, I'm just going to repost my github comment.

For anyone who thinks this thing is a good, well balanced idea

1. https://gyazo.com/5877bb07076a2fcdbd5f666788cdfadd
2. You can spam a bluespace energy frame with lasers for about 2.5 minutes
3. If you add energy collapsers to it it doesn't change enregy cost so it just became a full auto laser cannon
4. KAs are completely redundent just get one of those and you're golden
5. roundstart explosive/meteorshot/hemorrage/incendiary assaultrifles/shotguns
6. A whole fucking host of other shit that I've observed that I'm not going to bother listing as it'll take a whole page.
7. 50 tile 2x speed tasers that stun for full amount
This is in a word, dumb. Good idea, bad implementation. It would take a metric shitload of balancing before this is anywhere ready to be merged unless you really want whoever has a gunlathe to own the server.
Can you tell me honestly if you even looked at the costs you put into the gunlathe, at all?
Bugtested even a little bit?
Even considered the balance implications?

Oh yeah, and John Oxford, if you think this isn't overpowered, kindly exit.

calzilla1 · Post by **calzilla1** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:33 am #243750

>Makes blob pretty much useless
There is absolutely no problem

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:38 am #243751

A shitload of this needs to be behind some sort of progression wall so it gets progressively enabled through the round. Or maybe make the gunlathe only operable by Mindshielded individuals or some shit. But it sure needs something because its fucking insane.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:26 am #243759

Cool concept, love the idea, needs a ton of balancing

ShadowDimentio · Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:40 am

Balancing and fixes are needed but this is a cool, whole new system for the game.

Doctor Pork · Post by **Doctor Pork** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 2:45 am #243763

ShadowDimentio wrote:Balancing and fixes are needed but this is a cool, whole new system for the game.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:43 am #243788

All of the different modules need to be locked behind R&D levels. The short and long barrels, semi-auto handle, and stun modules are the only things shat should be roundstart.

ShadowDimentio · Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:07 am

>No lasers

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:32 am #243797

Luke Cox wrote:All of the different modules need to be locked behind R&D levels. The short and long barrels, semi-auto handle, and stun modules are the only things shat should be roundstart.

this and/or no metal and glass roundstart

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:32 am #243811

i think you all forget that R&D is completed within 5 minutes and materials are gathered within 5 minutes

and that any and all progression in this game doesn't matter because it will be QoL'd out of existance

Luke Cox wrote:The short and long barrels, semi-auto handle, and stun modules are the only things shat should be roundstart.

This is still OP because it's a one hit kill gun.

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:33 am #243812

also damage numbers don't matter when tasers exist just saying

i'll totally remove bigger capacity frames though that was a balance test

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:34 am #243813

you can't balance ss13 btw

i'd rather cater to the /k/ nuts who enjoy their time just doing the memes than people arguing balance

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:38 am #243815

i'm cool with that but at least make assault rifles a bit better

ShadowDimentio · Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:44 am

Here's a repost of my suggested gun parts from the old thread. Warning: Long and robust, like my cock vocabulary.

Outline: A gun consists of several parts, separated into categories, and a gun may hold only one part from each category, completed with a firing pin.

*BASE
*BARREL
*STOCK
MUZZLE
GRIP
SCOPE
ENERGY MODS
BALLISTIC MODS

The three categories marked with a * REQUIRE a part from the category to be present in the weapon, otherwise the gun WILL NOT FIRE.

Spoiler:

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 7:51 am #243823

Armhulen wrote:i'm cool with that but at least make assault rifles a bit better

i'll look into it fam

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:19 am #243835

At this point I'm cool with anything that leaves at least a whiff of guncrafting to security without gating everything behind RnD

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:21 am #243836

iamgoofball wrote:
Armhulen wrote:i'm cool with that but at least make assault rifles a bit better
i'll look into it fam

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:31 am #243844

iamgoofball wrote:i think you all forget that R&D is completed within 5 minutes and materials are gathered within 5 minutes

and that any and all progression in this game doesn't matter because it will be QoL'd out of existance

Luke Cox wrote:The short and long barrels, semi-auto handle, and stun modules are the only things shat should be roundstart.
This is still OP because it's a one hit kill gun.

When people do R&D. Also, you're forgetting that adrenals exist.

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:34 am #243845

Quick question because I wasn't present during the latest merge test: I assume security gets his own gunlathe in the armory, is it synched to research? Or do you have to physically go to RnD to get the advanced parts?

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:55 am #243850

Grazyn wrote:Quick question because I wasn't present during the latest merge test: I assume security gets his own gunlathe in the armory, is it synched to research? Or do you have to physically go to RnD to get the advanced parts?

1 guncrafting is live on sybil RIGHT NOW

2 you can sync it from the guncrafting console

Grazyn · Post by **Grazyn** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:56 pm #243934

May be nice to have the completed gun change name to "gun" or something instead of "gun frame" which sounds kinda goofy

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jan 14, 2017 5:15 pm #243956

use pens?

John_Oxford · Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:38 pm

>not having prefabs for your charcters last name gun company

death rowe arms already has a full suite of weapons

John_Oxford · Sat Jan 14, 2017 10:42 pm

goof if i gave you a long and thought out list of some of the best design concepts, balancing solutions and dynamic parts that tie in deep to other elements of the game that's so good it instantly makes /k/ommandos all over the world cum in their pants

would you actually code it and not just go "yeah cool john im gonna put more meme code in then though so you enjoy that"

iamgoofball · Sat Jan 14, 2017 11:45 pm

John_Oxford wrote:goof if i gave you a long and thought out list of some of the best design concepts, balancing solutions and dynamic parts that tie in deep to other elements of the game that's so good it instantly makes /k/ommandos all over the world cum in their pants

would you actually code it and not just go "yeah cool john im gonna put more meme code in then though so you enjoy that"

get ahold of ma44 in #coderbus I put him in charge of fixing balance

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:12 am #244078

Aka, he is to lazy to do balancing himself, so he is having other people to his job for him.

ShadowDimentio · Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:14 am

Trivia: Writing all the code is much harder than tweaking a few numbers to placate the mindless masses. I'd say Goof got the raw end of the deal on that one.

Post by **Cobby** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:40 am #244209

iamgoofball wrote: and that any and all progression in this game doesn't matter because it will be QoL'd out of existance

I hate that you are correct.

firecage · Post by **firecage** » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:32 am #244267

If I have to be honest, at the moment I wouldn't mind if Goofs guncrafting PR is closed, and someone else picks the pieces up in the future and actually makes a working, balanced, and not-fucking-buggy system.

iamgoofball · Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:37 am

Fuck you and die, old buddy old pal Firecage. I

"Wah wah it's unbalanced"

"Balance is shit and I hate it but okay fine I'll offload the balance to someone who knows what they're doing"

"I'm a whiny bitch who doesn't like change or compromise, so I'm going to demand it be closed anyways"

Fuck off to Bay already.