Craftable ash catchers for expanding in lavaland

[Xhuis]

Pull request body:

Spoiler:

Pictured: Showing off the sprites of the catchers and the changing alphas for mobs.

Ash catchers function based on a system centered around a variable called `ash_caught` that increases every tick the catcher is in an ash storm. At certain thresholds, the catcher's name, description, and sprite will change; these thresholds are 150 ticks, 300 ticks, and 400 ticks. At 400 ticks, the catcher will collapse from the weight and be destroyed.

People can activate the ash catcher with an empty hand on help intent to clear out the ash over five seconds and restore it to full integrity. It can also be torn down over seven seconds to be relocated, and takes seven more to set up again.

Catchers are made with one goliath hide chunk and two rods, or one goliath hide chunk and one bone. Goliath hide chunks are broken down into from one goliath hide, at a rate of 3 chunks/hide.

In English, these are structures that you can build and move around lavaland to catch the ash from ash storms. You can stand under them and not take damage from the storms, meaning you can have a large area covered in them and be able to traverse the area freely without having to worry about dying from said storms.

They collect the ash over time, so you can't just put it down and forget about it forever. It takes several storms, but the ash catcher will eventually collapse from the weight. You can activate the catcher with an empty hand on help intent to clear out the ash and reset it to normal. You can also attack it on disarm intent to break it down and move it somewhere else.

Ash catchers are crafted from a goliath hide chunk (craftable in the menu from one goliath hide and vice-versa) and either two rods or one bone.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

[D&B]

Why make ash storms trivial?

Might as well remove them if you can just become immune after killing one goliath.

[Kel]

this makes literally 1 tile immune and it decays over time

you basically become immune to ash storms anyway if you bother to use your basically infinite amounts of points to buy more bluespace capsules

[Anonmare]

Or you can just make 4 sandstone doors and be immune to ash storms without having to worry about it decaying

[Xhuis]

What Kel said. This is mainly intended as a method of expansion, and serves to make ash storms less of a nuisance as many lavaland roles. For miners, the problem essentially doesn't exist, and for roles, it just serves as a way to limit how far they can go. If ash walkers spawn far from any ruins and the shelter, chances are that they'll never see another person because the ash storms would kill them before they could get that far. Not only are catchers a pain to lug around (huge-sized, meaning you have to either drop what you're holding or make yourself vulnerable to carry both it and a corpse for the nest), but they restrict you to one tile, so you're completely vulnerable if anyone wants to attack you.

Or you can just make 4 sandstone doors and be immune to ash storms without having to worry about it decaying

That doesn't work. Please don't make assumptions based on false comments on GitHub without testing them yourself.

Spoiler:

Even if that did work, it's obviously cheese and I would probably patch it out.

[Bombadil]

No please continue this

[Xhuis]

Well, apparently, there's an exploit(?) where you can make an area through doors, but people didn't actually bother to tell me the correct way to do it. PR has been closed as it has no reason to exist.

No please continue this

Why? It seems like there's an easier way to do the same thing already.

[Bombadil]

Well, apparently, there's an exploit(?) where you can make an area through doors, but people didn't actually bother to tell me the correct way to do it. PR has been closed as it has no reason to exist.

No please continue this

Why? It seems like there's an easier way to do the same thing already.

I like the idea of makeshift shelters more than just slapping a few doors on the floor to make a safe zone

[Bombadil]

Well, apparently, there's an exploit(?) where you can make an area through doors, but people didn't actually bother to tell me the correct way to do it. PR has been closed as it has no reason to exist.

No please continue this

Why? It seems like there's an easier way to do the same thing already.

I like the idea of makeshift shelters more than just slapping a few doors on the floor to make a safe zone

[Xhuis]

Well, apparently, there's an exploit(?) where you can make an area through doors, but people didn't actually bother to tell me the correct way to do it. PR has been closed as it has no reason to exist.

No please continue this

Why? It seems like there's an easier way to do the same thing already.

I like the idea of makeshift shelters more than just slapping a few doors on the floor to make a safe zone

I do too, but there's mechanically no reason not to use those doors as removing the functionality to do so would make expansion essentially invalid.

[Xhuis]

PR is reopened because you and some others still want it, apparently.
Consider yourself on thin ice :^)

[D&B]

Lavaland roles are considered learning roles so I don't see why they should expand. This is just making danger trivial for the sake of making it trivial.


Up the cost and make it better or make it worse and a little cheaper. Most roles that actively deal with Goliaths shouldn't be given free reign to run away from their intended purpose (learning.)

[XDTM]

There's hardly much to learn for ash walkers, which will be the primary users of these. Golems can either make ash-proof golems or build areas outright, miners have capsules, podpeople have issues outside even without a storm, and ops have lava to worry about if they feel like walking out.

[Xhuis]

Well, Kor closed the pull request instantly without alerting me. Oh well.

[FantasticFwoosh]

Shoddy, expensive & codersprite.

meeeh, not sad to see this go, a buildable tee-pee with some accessories like a spear rack & bonfire would have been much better, don't ruin the illusion by adding roofs.

Lavaland roles are considered learning roles so I don't see why they should expand. This is just making danger trivial for the sake of making it trivial.


Up the cost and make it better or make it worse and a little cheaper. Most roles that actively deal with Goliaths shouldn't be given free reign to run away from their intended purpose (learning.)

Golems have the direct tools to expand, ashwalkers are based in the ash-hut because its the only real safe place to be beside sandstone communes (you outline the area with doors, pickaxe the doors down and its a ash free place)

I still support and stand by teepees.

[Xhuis]

This thread is a month old. What are you gaining by reviving it?