Vision Cones

[onleavedontatme]

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/24304

It's happening.

[Bombadil]

TACTICAL ESPIONAGE ACTION....


Wait how does it interact with xray

Also sneaking suits when?

[PKPenguin321]

I'm down to try it with the newly proposed tweaks (as opposed to the initial idea of outright blindness behind you). Would it be possible to also be able to see the tile immediately behind you too, though, so you can see people that you're pulling or whatever?

[onleavedontatme]

People you are pulling are already exempt

[XDTM]

Looks great, can't wait to get gameplay rebalanced around this

[Arianya]

It'd be nice to have some of the suggested stuff like running behind someone showing up but I realize that if we tried to perfect a feature before implementing nothing would ever get implemented.

I look forward to the clown slipping people from behind.

[Reece]

>Run forward
> Click behind self constantly for constant vigilance.
> Can't wait for someone to port diziness.

[lzimann]

>Run forward
> Click behind self constantly for constant vigilance.
> Can't wait for someone to port diziness.

With the cone moving when you changing dirs, we don't need in-game diziness, you will probably get dizzy in real life anyway.

[Steelpoint]

Not unrealistic for anxious people to be constantly checking behind their shoulder.

[paprika]

>Randy's face when people figure out that lifeweb features are easy as fuck to replicate
>People are actually paying for this



So, it's settled then, /tg/ is going from 'classic goonleak ss13 stunbased spamklikks robust' to 'lifeweb but in space'?

Can I come back and add more lifeweb 'inspired' features or what?

[Steelpoint]

You can some back only if you do all your changes in one PR.

[danno]

>Randy's face when people figure out that lifeweb features are easy as fuck to replicate
>People are actually paying for this



So, it's settled then, /tg/ is going from 'classic goonleak ss13 stunbased spamklikks robust' to 'lifeweb but in space'?

Can I come back and add more lifeweb 'inspired' features or what?

I wish you would

[paprika]

Here's another idea that is too good even for lifeweb:

If you add 'vision cones', you need to add fixed eye so you can strafe and keep your vision in one direction.

Additionally, something I decided would be a good idea but never got around to coding is 'targetting'. Basically you mmb someone (this button isn't really used for much right now) or whatever and it puts an overlay on them. Your character automatically faces them when you're targetting them and it allows for the vision cone combat to be a lot more fun when you worry about positioning instead of constantly switching directions. Very easy to implement, just update your dir when your target moves or you move. I barely had it working on my private test sandbox but it improves the lifeweb-esque FOV combat 1000%. Fixed-eye is a mandatory feature if you're going to do FOV and mix-up the ss13 combat, though.

Good luck!

[Sometinyprick]

>Randy's face when people figure out that lifeweb features are easy as fuck to replicate
>People are actually paying for this



So, it's settled then, /tg/ is going from 'classic goonleak ss13 stunbased spamklikks robust' to 'lifeweb but in space'?

Can I come back and add more lifeweb 'inspired' features or what?

I personally really enjoyed everything about lifewebs slower style combat, I don't really think anyone enjoys the "yakety-sax" style combat we have now, other than how funny it looks sometimes I guess.

[paprika]

Should have just asked me, I coded this and put it up publicly on my github for free weeks ago

The people you paid probably stole it too

ayyy!

[PKPenguin321]

I think our current combat is fun, though. You can't say you've never had a good fight with it before. I had one just the other day involving four lasers in my bag, dual wielding, a captain in crit, an armed atmos tech, and a sec officer.

I'm not saying our combat couldn't be improved, but don't be so quick to just dismiss what we have.

[John_Oxford]

time to set up a macro that automatically makes me step in the opposite direction im moving every three steps so that i can see behind myself

also we should add take downs for cqc, if you are behind someone you should be able to put them in a choke hold or something similar.

[danno]

Should have just asked me, I coded this and put it up publicly on my github for free weeks ago

The people you paid probably stole it too

ayyy!

wait fuckin really

[Cobby]

Should have just asked me, I coded this and put it up publicly on my github for free weeks ago

The people you paid probably stole it too

ayyy!

wait fuckin really

c u c k e d

[paprika]

Should have just asked me, I coded this and put it up publicly on my github for free weeks ago

The people you paid probably stole it too

ayyy!

wait fuckin really

Yep, I put it up for a guy and it was for a different project but he probably shared it

Maybe not, the concept was the same though, not like there's any other logical ways to do it (adding mobs to list, updating when people move, overlays, etc)

[danno]

paprika come back

[oranges]

don't come back unless you can handle getting told no

[confused rock]

please come back old paprika

[Sometinyprick]

Should have just asked me, I coded this and put it up publicly on my github for free weeks ago

The people you paid probably stole it too

ayyy!

rip

[calzilla1]

HEY HEY DID YOU HEAR THAT?LISTEN!
guuuun craaaftiiiing

[IcePacks]

I'm down to try it with the newly proposed tweaks (as opposed to the initial idea of outright blindness behind you). Would it be possible to also be able to see the tile immediately behind you too, though, so you can see people that you're pulling or whatever?

My idea for this was that you could still see running and attacking mobs outside of the cone. That way we can leave combat unchanged, give walking a purpose, and still add sneaky shenanigans.

[ShadowDimentio]

It makes sense, but people running (read: the people being snuck up on) would be able to outrun the people stealthing (read: the people walking) basically always, so it'd be useless.

[IcePacks]

That's kinda the point. Sneaking up on someone running down the hallway shouldn't be possible. There's plenty of other scenarios you can get your sneak on in.

[Jacough]

See my idea was that people outside your come out vision would have the short of drone effect in that they'd just appear as sort of featureless silhouettes while they're running or using something noisy like an esword or a gun. If they're just walking and being quiet however, you can't see them.

[oranges]

sounds cool, but you'd need to do quite a bit of work to add a sound_level value to mobs