War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by Steelpoint » #262579

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Just introduce scaling damage from a shotgun blast.

Make it that pellets that spread out start with maximum damage within two tiles of firing, and they quickly scale down in damage so at five tiles your dealing very minimal damage.

That or make shotguns much harder and expensive to get access to. I don't mind there being strong weapons on station, only so long as access to them is restricted.

Reminds me of how Goon lasers can two shot crit/kill unarmoured people.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by TehSteveo » #262592

Nerfing the damage on the pellets isn't bad. Just not over nerfing to where it's back to just getting slugs as buckshot isn't worth it. It should be somewhere in the realm that buck shot is good, but slugs are also more useful again.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by Remie Richards » #262595

So nerf at range, and perhaps buff it at point blank (so as to help counter negative views of the nerf)
So on average it'll level out?

I mean, this *IS* how shotguns have worked in games for ages, there's probably a reason for that (and if not, it'll atleast be more comfortable as we expect it anyway these days)
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by Super Aggro Crag » #262627

War ops should be able to buy conscripts so ghosts spawn in tactical shirts wielding nuggets and human wave attack the station
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by Oldman Robustin » #262650

Super Aggro Crag wrote:War ops should be able to buy conscripts so ghosts spawn in tactical shirts wielding nuggets and human wave attack the station
This should really replace the reinforcement option, I like this idea. Reinforcement during warops = welcome to the crew, heres a stechkin, when we arrive you will be the least armed person, have fun!
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by ShadowDimentio » #262655

Nerfing the shotgun won't do a damn thing, at best people will just use the pressure cannon instead and at worse people will just shoot ops to break their shield and then taser them.

Also why shouldn't three meatshots at near point blank range dunk an awperative? If we made our armor system less shit we could have it so armor actually protected against shotguns (as they should, buckshot doesn't penetrate armor at all) however they still deal assloads of stamina damage because you're being shot in the chest.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

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ShadowDimentio wrote:Nerfing the shotgun won't do a damn thing, at best people will just use the pressure cannon instead and at worse people will just shoot ops to break their shield and then taser them.

Also why shouldn't three meatshots at near point blank range dunk an awperative? If we made our armor system less shit we could have it so armor actually protected against shotguns (as they should, buckshot doesn't penetrate armor at all) however they still deal assloads of stamina damage because you're being shot in the chest.
There is a powergap between pneumatic cannons and automatic shotguns.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by ShadowDimentio » #263842

Not for the purposes of breaking op shields. They track how many times they've been hit, not how much damage they've taken.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by kevinz000 » #263929

ShadowDimentio wrote:Not for the purposes of breaking op shields. They track how many times they've been hit, not how much damage they've taken.
If we want I can go refactor shielding lmao.
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Re: War ops is entirely pointless when shotguns exist

Post by ShadowDimentio » #264522

Do it faggot, you won't.
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