make shadowpeople good

[Armhulen]

old conversation

Spoiler:

I've tried out the mutation toxins (specifically the more expensive ones) and let me tell you, they are extremely unbalanced in some cases.

Let me break it down for you:
Mutation toxin: turn into a slimepersob isn't terrible, but the hunger pains are and going to medical with toxin damage is garenteed death. I think I would actually like being able to switch to an alive body if my slimeperson dies, because what's the point of being a slimeperson anyways? For the most part I'm okay with these, just a suggestion

Stable mutation: human, not much to say here

Lizard:no complaints, considering you need radium to get mutation toxin anyways

Fly: kind of expensive considering all it does is remove your humanity.


Jelly toxin: expensive to get, you need to become a slimeperson/get someone to be a slimeperson just so you can be a more risk reward slimeperson. IMO just remove this race and give it's abilities to

Pod toxin: now we're getting to the meme tier stuff. Never hungry, regeneration... these are amazing so they must have a big price tag right? No, all you need is stuff in a vendor that anyone can use. In the PUBLIC GARDEN.

Golem toxin: you need mining just for a chance to get a good one? Boo. They're slow as shit, at least the wooden one has the op traits of the pod people

Abductor toxin: now, these seem fair a first until you realize they're one of the best traitor items of all time. Perms mute plus a stun plus they can't even use guns or ANYTHING RANGED. I'd make it more expensive for that alone, at least make it advanced mutation toxin

Android mutation toxin: Teslium isn't easy to get and androids are extremely good, no complaints.

Advanced mutation toxin: oh look another pretty good traitor poison. I'd use abductor instead, because of how long it takes to kick in, but it is pretty easy to escape an officer dragging you to the brig if they turn into a slime halfway through. Watch out, slimes will kick your ass if you're not prepared. All in all this is okay price for what it does

Skeleton toxin: Milk isn't that hard to get for a toxin that makes you immune to poisons, space worthy, no breath, and a cool rattle font. I'll mention why this should REALLY be upped in price later, but this is enough alone

Zombie mutation toxin: HAHAHAHAHA this, THIS is a meme. You need an emagged chem machine to get a shitty race. They're spaceworthy but who cares, be a skeleton instead you dolt. They might be slower, citation needed but they have no upsides after that. REMINDER: emagged chem console to get a race so shitty they're not a good traitor item or something you'd ever want to be
Edit: you can get toxin from the med vendor, making this actually a relatively easy to get race. That makes it semi-decent but skeleton is still easier to get and better in every way.

Ash mutation toxin: decent for a nobreath shoeless species I suppose but once again, it's easier to become a skeleton and the skeleton has more upsides


Plasma mutation toxin: And the best race toxin plus some mining (just grab it from rnd) and you have an instant unavoidable kill toxin! G-git gud faggets. Make THIS require emagged chem machines you jerks.

Shadow people suck, okay? I go into it a bit here but we should make them great again.
Shadow mutation toxin: lets see here, they take more damage in light then they heal in darkness, they're not that good for a traitor toxin, and the eyeball organ update broke their night vision. Yep, totally worth stable black matter plus holy water plus black slimes. Even POD PEOPLE heal faster than them, in the LIGHT. Dropped.

And, coming back to this:

They heal one per tick of every damage, which actually sucks. They take pressure damage, can't go into space because space is bright, and they can be pierced

lets compare that to the skeleton. They're immune to syringes. They don't take pressure damage. They can go into space naked and survive. They're easier to make (shadowperson is the hardest mutation in the game, requiring cooperation between three departments at once and the very end of the xenobio tech tree)

give them chitin, give them powers. I don't care what but come on guys, they're a joke

[D&B]

Giving xenobio the ability to control what was supposed to be random is oowercreep and a mistake.

All the prices should be upped tbh

[Armhulen]

Races in general need a change. There's three types of zombie.

[ShadowDimentio]

If xenobio gets to the end of any slime tree shit goes to hell fast. Adamantine cores, gold cores, red cores, black cores, oil cores, light pink cores, sepia cores...

This isn't special at all, leave it alone tbh.

[Armhulen]

I'm fine with them changing race, it's just that some toxins are cheaper and outclass other race toxins completely

[Cobby]

Races in general need a change. There's three types of zombie.

that is because

1) zombie with benefits no slowdown
2) reskinned human [goofzombie]
3) romerol/infectious ones [memezombie or maybe it's infectious I forget]

[darkpaladin109]

I think Skeletons being unable to be cloned in any way is a pretty big downside, to be honest.

[Armhulen]

I think Skeletons being unable to be cloned in any way is a pretty big downside, to be honest.

>take brain
>put in humanize monkey
>clone
After he's done he can just get more skeleton toxin because it's easy to get

[TribeOfBeavers]

I think Skeletons being unable to be cloned in any way is a pretty big downside, to be honest.

>take brain
>put in humanize monkey
>clone
After he's done he can just get more skeleton toxin because it's easy to get

You don't even need to clone them actually! Brain removal only deals oxygen damage, so you can just put in the new brain, defib them, then give them a shot from an epipen and they're good to go!

[Reece]

Make anything but milk be unable to heal them, make slapping them knock out their eyes and tongue so you can blind/mute them easily, but let them jam in new eyes by targeting the eye area with eyes in hand.

[XDTM]

Some notes about this.

- All the non-black-slime races were already available through the random toxin. All it takes is some time and tries, which you can get several of from a single green.
- You can get silver from any chem dispenser, golems aren't hard to get.
- I never actually thought of using abductor toxin as a mute chem. Then again you could just brew perfluorodecalin. Interestingly enough both give you oxygen at the cost of speech, with one being permanent-ish.

Black slime races:
- They require an end-tier slime.
- Skeletons are not immune to poisons, just pierce-immune. Like androids or golems.
- Zombies also used to have inverted toxin damage like slimepeople, after it got removed they kinda became a worse version of skeletons yeah.

In order to murder with plasma toxin, you need to:
* Be antag.
* Breed slimes until you get a black.
* Leave the xenobio fortress to get to the kitchen and hope the chef left you milk.
* Wait until/if mining comes back with minerals, take uranium without being noticed.
* Acquire method of distributing toxin (spray or syringe gun).
* Hope that in the 20-30 minutes you spent doing this nobody caused a shuttle call or caused a breach making everyone wear chemproof hardsuits.

[Armhulen]

Some notes about this.

- All the non-black-slime races were already available through the random toxin. All it takes is some time and tries, which you can get several of from a single green.
It kinda does rule out using it as a traitor thing but what you have said is true. It's a good way to get android but other than that grabbing ez from the dispenser is probably the way to go to get a really good race for almost free.
- You can get silver from any chem dispenser, golems aren't hard to get.
In that case great, roll for wood golem and rule the world
- I never actually thought of using abductor toxin as a mute chem. Then again you could just brew perfluorodecalin. Interestingly enough both give you oxygen at the cost of speech, with one being permanent-ish.
plus the no guns rule plus the stun, it's not bad at all for a traitor chem. I'd even call it better than the plasma man toxin because of how much easier it is to make
Black slime races:
- They require an end-tier slime.
One tier higher, at most two extra breeding cycles because you're unlucky
- Skeletons are not immune to poisons, just pierce-immune. Like androids or golems.
Better, but they're still extremely good.
- Zombies also used to have inverted toxin damage like slimepeople, after it got removed they kinda became a worse version of skeletons yeah.
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In order to murder with plasma toxin, you need to:
* Be antag.
* Breed slimes until you get a black.
* Leave the xenobio fortress to get to the kitchen and hope the chef left you milk.
Ask for it roundstart, it'll help
* Wait until/if mining comes back with minerals, take uranium without being noticed.
You don't HAVE to smuggle uranium, scientists won't care if another scientist takes some uranium
* Acquire method of distributing toxin (spray or syringe gun).
Just buy one, handheld syringe gun, unless you're a changeling
* Hope that in the 20-30 minutes you spent doing this nobody caused a shuttle call or caused a breach making everyone wear chemproof hardsuits.
Shuttle call genuinely does suck, but you can make piercing syringes by the time you get blacks.

Also, since nobody commented on shadow people yet: BUFF BUFF BUFF THEM

[XDTM]

It might not kill you outright but it pretty much takes you out of the round.

[Bombadil]

>Be shadow person
>Hide in maint smashing lights or perish

[Armhulen]

>be shadowperson
>hide in maint in anguish while podpeople heal faster in light
>resort to eating rats because there's no food in maint while podpeople never get hungry in light
>kor broke your cool vision so you have to kill yourself slowly to see
>die in light while podpeople get slightly hungry and don't heal
>die to this (space)
>die to that (cold)
>die in general
>have one of the most expensive and time consuming recipes

almonds fully activated, lads.

[XDTM]

It's something you shoot into other people, not something you use yourself.

[Armhulen]

It's something you shoot into other people, not something you use yourself.

But the recipe requires three departments to all be competent at once, the recipe is extremely complicated while the plasmaman (almost instant death) just requires the chef and a decent mining, and even the abductor one mutes too.
Instead of shadow people being shit let's make them really good, currently we only have two races you'd ever want to be, the pierce proof nobreath pressure immune skeletons, or the regen neverhungry easy to make pod people

[Anonmare]

Give Shadowpeople thermal vision, toggleable night vision, immunity to cold and pressure, no need to eat, NO_BREATH, NO_BLOOD and quicker regen in darkness.

Makes them pretty decent but you'll still find a lit lightbulb dangerous

[XDTM]

to be fair, liquid dark matter can be made at any chem dispenser, which rnd usually builds, and strange reagent's only real bottleneck is holy water since you can usually get omnizine from donk pockets anyway.
But sure, i'd like shadowpeople to be somewhat better.

[Armhulen]

Give Shadowpeople thermal vision, toggleable night vision, immunity to cold and pressure, no need to eat, NO_BREATH, NO_BLOOD and quicker regen in darkness.

Makes them pretty decent but you'll still find a lit lightbulb dangerous

make them burn even faster in light and have the shadowling turn off lights ability

i want them to be a late game viable choice that is sooper cool

[Armhulen]

this is important for the good of all things xhius
see op