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Omega Station

Unread postby Okand37 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:24 am #236472

With the addition of Delta Station being merged into the codebase (map here) and only being left with minor bugs and oversights to fix, I've decided to begin construction on a new station...

Omega Station

While Delta Station was added to accommodate populations larger than what box or meta could carry, Omega Station is quite the opposite and is intended as a lowpopulation map for crowds similar to fit on ministation or birdboat. The head of staff population will be limited to one captain and one head of personnel along with an AI. Regular job slots, such as medical doctors, engineerings, security officers and more will be lowered to accommodate the low station size.

Omega Station is currently merged; any issue reports, bugs, oversights or ideas are more than welcome to be posted below!
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Unread postby danno » Sun Dec 18, 2016 2:52 am #236478

why do wonderful trash bins always have to be confined to lowpop stations that never get played :(
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Lakart » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:04 am #236524

I'm guessing you're aiming for like 15-25 people shifts.

I feel like it could benefit from xenobio(might inspire a frequent goal of swapping out the batteries in all the apcs with yellow slime cores because it's not that big) and gulag for security(assuming people ACTUALLY SET POINT AMOUNTS or that prisoners actually try to escape to mining).

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Unread postby danno » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:11 am #236527

I think the gulag could be a good idea; Perhaps make the gulag the only option as opposed to having a permabrig, encouraging security to have prisoners work off gulag sentences and return to their jobs afterwards due to the low population.
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Unread postby Jordie0608 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:17 pm #236586

>Omega Station
>Links to a file called cometstation.png

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Unread postby TheColdTurtle » Sun Dec 18, 2016 4:24 pm #236601

Gee okand! Why does MSO let you have TWO maps?
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Unread postby Atlanta-Ned » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:04 pm #236619

God I love so much about this map
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Okand37 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:10 pm #236621

danno wrote:why do wonderful trash bins always have to be confined to lowpop stations that never get played :(

Trash bins generally aren't overly convenient opposed to disposal bins.

Lakart wrote:I'm guessing you're aiming for like 15-25 people shifts.
I feel like it could benefit from xenobio(might inspire a frequent goal of swapping out the batteries in all the apcs with yellow slime cores because it's not that big) and gulag for security(assuming people ACTUALLY SET POINT AMOUNTS or that prisoners actually try to escape to mining).


Shifts would probably aim anywhere from ~20-30 and below.

I planned to include a small, three celled xenobiology area as its one of the important science jobs, opposed to the experimentor which can be dropped off and toxins, because it makes little sense to have toxins bombs on a station that you could destroy the entirety of with just a single run of toxins. I don't really aim to put the gulag on such a lowpopulation station, and there isn't any permabrig either, just a few cells as you can see.

TheColdTurtle wrote:Gee okand! Why does MSO let you have TWO maps?

I'm sure anyone else could make more maps if they wanted to, its just I have nothing better to do and I enjoy it, so I am making more! Soon I'll monopolise the whole rotation with phonetic alphabet stations! Bwuahuhauha! (not really, I love variety and having all the maps from one sole developer is boring)

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Jordie0608 wrote:>Omega Station
>Links to a file called cometstation.png

You can't hide the lies from me Okand.

I was initially going to name it cometstation, but I realise this would require me to make it icey, and there's no proper mineable snow rocks to my knowledge, so I decided to continue on the trend of the phonetic alphabet and use Omega.
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Unread postby danno » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:24 pm #236623

Sure yeah but having one in maint means you can pull it around and jump inside it and be a trash man
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Unread postby BeeSting12 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:29 pm #236627

But without gulag or perma, my only option for antagonists is execution, or release- which isn't always an option. I really prefer perma, especially on lowpop when there might be three, tops, to executing antagonists since they're there to make the round interesting.
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Okand37 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:33 pm #236629

BeeSting12 wrote:But without gulag or perma, my only option for antagonists is execution, or release- which isn't always an option. I really prefer perma, especially on lowpop when there might be three, tops, to executing antagonists since they're there to make the round interesting.


Take a look at any other low population map, considerably ministation or birdboat, and you'll notice neither of them really boast a permanent or off station security area. Birdboat does have a stronger cell, which I might make, but the entirety of it is only meant to include the essentials.
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Unread postby Okand37 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:30 am #236741

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Unread postby Haevacht » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:43 am #236758

Oh god is that a supermatter. On a small station. Because I very much like where that is going.
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Okand37 » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:58 pm #236957

Added the library, primary tool storage, and some more of the asteroid/maintenance areas, finished dormitories. (updated OP)
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Unread postby Okand37 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:29 pm #237894

Updated OP with up to date picture of the station. Just need to add a chapel somewhere, more or less. Might replace library with the chapel or add it on the other side of arrivals?
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Unread postby Jordie0608 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:30 am #237918

There seems to be no place the white ship could go, intentional?
You may want to remove that chunk of rock next to the admin shuttle to accommodate other shuttle designs without having them embedded in the asteroid. Depending on where the docking port is placed you could also have rotational issues with most of the designs facing the wrong way.
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Unread postby Okand37 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:19 am #237954

Jordie0608 wrote:There seems to be no place the white ship could go, intentional?
You may want to remove that chunk of rock next to the admin shuttle to accommodate other shuttle designs without having them embedded in the asteroid. Depending on where the docking port is placed you could also have rotational issues with most of the designs facing the wrong way.


I keep forgetting the white ship exists. I'll extend the dock a bit and put an airlock on it, but most lowpop stations don't generally have the white ship (to my knowledge?)
Shortened down the chunk of rock to fit for a standard centcom ferry. I'll try to put the dock in a way that it accomodates a regular centcom ferry, but its not often that I see another admin changing the ferry if at all.
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Unread postby Okand37 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:02 pm #238294

Omega Station!
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Aside from finishing the navigation system and camera networks, Omega Station is now done!

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Unread postby DemonFiren » Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:37 pm #238297

Well, the floor tiles look incomplete or inconsistent in places (command/det quarters), but that aside 9/10 would bomb.
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Unread postby CPTANT » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:42 pm #238306

Finally a decent lowpop map.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby roadrage » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:14 am #238370

Can't wait to get to play on this map. Looks great.

A couple of suggestions, though. Supermatter chamber could use reinforced floors. Unless of course you're using the weaker floor as a safety to prevent accidents. I finally figured out how to blow the one on delta up without melting the floor, but it's a pain. Especially once the engine is running.

And, not a big deal, but I don't see any way to vent the scrubber loop to space. That can be handy when you've got a fire and you don't want superheated gas filtering back into the tanks, as it can break the glass if the tank gets hot enough. It looks like it would be a pain to implement, due to the location and compact nature of atmos.

Keep up the good work.

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Unread postby Okand37 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:08 pm #238984

Omega Station is now currently merged! Hooray!

Bit of a side note is that the camera network is not fully complete, and the navigation beacon system is not implemented. Everything else should be working accordingly! Feel free to post bug reports, issues, oversights and ideas here!
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Unread postby Okand37 » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:36 pm #239182

DemonFiren wrote:Well, the floor tiles look incomplete or inconsistent in places (command/det quarters), but that aside 9/10 would bomb.

I did end up changing the command seat tables from wooden to reinforced and made the flooring to match the rest, but I'm not sure in what way you find the other offices inconsistent. The mix of wood flooring and carpet over the top along with light grey is intentional.

CPTANT wrote:Finally a decent lowpop map.

Glad to hear you like it!

roadrage wrote:Can't wait to get to play on this map. Looks great.

A couple of suggestions, though. Supermatter chamber could use reinforced floors. Unless of course you're using the weaker floor as a safety to prevent accidents. I finally figured out how to blow the one on delta up without melting the floor, but it's a pain. Especially once the engine is running.

And, not a big deal, but I don't see any way to vent the scrubber loop to space. That can be handy when you've got a fire and you don't want superheated gas filtering back into the tanks, as it can break the glass if the tank gets hot enough. It looks like it would be a pain to implement, due to the location and compact nature of atmos.

Keep up the good work.

I ended up changing the flooring on omega and delta's supermatter engines to reinforced. I might look into setting up an emergency scrubber loop, however! Glad to hear you are enjoying it otherwise!
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Unread postby Okand37 » Thu Dec 29, 2016 10:50 pm #239449

We managed two test rounds on sybil with a player count of roughly estimating 40 and it managed to fit them all! Woohoo! There weren't any bugs/complaints relating to the map in the two testplays, so that's good! If you have any bug reports, issues, ideas or oversights feel free to post!
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Unread postby XDTM » Tue Jan 03, 2017 6:41 pm #240488

Needs a biohazard locker in xenobiology, or at least a bio bag.
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Unread postby bandit » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:17 pm #240810

Needs a nuke, the doomsday device isn't the same thing

needs swarmer spawn points

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Unread postby ShadowDimentio » Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:23 pm #240814

I don't approve of how the engine, gravity, tcomms, and atmos are so close together with the asteroid biting so far in the upper left corner. One decent bomb snuggled up next to the wall and everything is gone.
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Unread postby bandit » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:47 pm #241067

Brig cell display messages say "brig2" instead of "Cell 2"
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Unread postby Hatfish » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:20 pm #241074

ORM is not oriented properly, ores feed into the top instead of into the side.
Central hallway loses power every round.
Robotics doesn't have an R&D console.
R&D doesn't receive messages when the ORM receives ore.
There isn't a disposals system.

I don't think this map was rotation-ready, a lot of people have been complaining about its lack of functionality on Sybil.

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Unread postby Okand37 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:28 pm #241077

Hatfish wrote:ORM is not oriented properly, ores feed into the top instead of into the side.
Central hallway loses power every round.
Robotics doesn't have an R&D console.
R&D doesn't receive messages when the ORM receives ore.
There isn't a disposals system.

I don't think this map was rotation-ready, a lot of people have been complaining about its lack of functionality on Sybil.

I'll take a look at the ORM and central hallway.
I'll add an R&D console.
There is no intended disposals system, trash bins exist.

It was not meant to be in rotation, however, merely something that can be forced to for testing purposes. I'll look into that later today.
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Unread postby Armhulen » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:14 pm #241095

trash bins are great for small maps :+1:

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Techbane » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:03 am #242918

Just popped in to say I love the feel of the map overall and it's great for a smaller crew, but there's a handful of odd missing links in the infrastructure. There are wiring errors at:

Primary Hallway (147, 135) - no knot
Central Primary Hallway (165, 115) - no knot
Brig (134, 165) - no wire running to the terminal
Head of Personnel's Office (170, 172) - missing wire under the door
Departure Lounge (~182, 145) - no wires connecting the main circuit to the internal one

and there's a missing T-pipe in the Atmospherics Maintenance at 134, 155 that cuts off vent output to the entire station.

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Unread postby kevinz000 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:24 am #243227

I dunno if someone said this already, but the sm shard should be made the shard version, instead of the crystal, as the crystal's explosion radius is almost 3 times as big, and when the map is very small it'll take out a huge amount of the station as opposed to just engineering.

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Unread postby Doctor Pork » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:48 am #243233

kevinz000 wrote:I dunno if someone said this already, but the sm shard should be made the shard version, instead of the crystal, as the crystal's explosion radius is almost 3 times as big, and when the map is very small it'll take out a huge amount of the station as opposed to just engineering.

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Unread postby Techbane » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:22 pm #243240

Speaking of, is there some sort of exact science to setting up this engine that I'm missing? I can usually get a round started without delaminating it, but sometimes it off-gasses plasma (which is usually a good sign), sometimes it doesn't (which is a bad sign), and sometimes I need to leave the emitter on to sustain energy production whereas other times that inevitably destabilizes it. I'm also not sure what purpose is served by the lower filter loop hooked up to the two freezers.

The ore redemption machine on this map doesn't seem to work either.

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Unread postby Remie Richards » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:46 pm #243254

kevinz000 wrote:I dunno if someone said this already, but the sm shard should be made the shard version, instead of the crystal, as the crystal's explosion radius is almost 3 times as big, and when the map is very small it'll take out a huge amount of the station as opposed to just engineering.


It is the shard, just modified to use the crystal icon.
We don't actually have the supermatter crystal (besides its sprites), only the shard.
Our port wasn't a full/direct port.

Our version of super matter also has these differences to /vg/'s:
  • N2 is half as effective on our SM
  • Produces half the Heat, Half the Plasma and Half the Oyxgen
  • Produces half the overall power

These aren't Crystal vs. Shard difference, these are just straight up /tg/ vs. /vg/ differences.
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Unread postby XDTM » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:49 am #243848

Minor thing: chemistry needs a screwdriver to finish their grenades.
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Techbane » Thu Jan 26, 2017 2:01 am #247789

Finally figured out that the ore redemption machine isn't working because its "dir" value was modified to 8, rather than the "output_dir" value. Setting the values to

dir=2 (might not matter either way)
input_dir=4
output_dir=8

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Unread postby Kel-the-Oblivious » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:23 am #249519

Botany has a plant gene splicer machine.

They do not have any plant data discs.

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Unread postby Iatots » Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:04 pm #249556

The disks spawn in the botanist closets.

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Unread postby MrEousTranger » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:43 am #249929

Technically speaking if your going off the phonetic alphabet this should be named EchoStation just saying.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Techbane » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:46 am #250789

One thing I absolutely cannot figure out about this map is what is wrong with arrivals. It starts off fine, but it and the HoP's bedroom are pretty much always the first places to be compromised by space debris, and the arrivals hallway will continue venting air endlessly even after being patched back up.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Shadowizard » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:50 am #251575

Some thoughts just looking at some of the engineering sections:
  • Engine is set up wrong. All of the pumps are facing the wrong way. There should be canisters instead of air scrubbers
  • Powernet is WEIRD. Either a mouse chewed a wire in a nigh-inaccessible spot or it's not setup right. Central hallway and arrivals hallway are unpowered
  • Power monitor in the room next to the engine (not the SMES one) is inoperable
I was really looking forward to this for my (very)small server, as they axed ministation in favor of it. If it doesn't get fixed soon we'll probably have to switch to a bigger map. In any case, it seems like it has a lot of potential!
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Shadowizard » Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:49 am #251957

Specifically, the APC's for the central hall and primary hall areas need power nodes. There is no connecting wire to the security office APC. The HoP APC isn't connected to the rest of the grid.The power lines to the Escape APC aren't connected to the rest of the grid. If I see anything else I'll let you know.
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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Techbane » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:50 am #252692

I actually pointed those out further up, but in the interim I've edited the map myself for the short term to fix the following:

- All the missing wiring to APC's
- Missing air pipe just outside of atmos that was cutting off vent output to the whole station
- Input/output settings on the ore redemption machine
- R&D console in robotics so research can be synced
- Extra security cameras in xenobio so the console actually allows you to interact with the slime enclosures (there's some way to do it without extra cameras as evidenced by the default boxstation setup, but damned if I can figure out how)
- Expanded xenobio by 1 tile southwards to make room for a bio closet and sink
- Screwdriver in chem lab
- Defib in medical closet
- Replaced botany chest with a botany closet so that DNA disks are provided
- Swapped one fridge in the kitchen so the station starts out with some rice and flour, also deleted the chef's hat and apron because there are plenty in the cooler closet
- Extra toolbelt in engineering
- Replaced a couple racks with tables, probably other minor changes I'm forgetting

Probably the biggest remaining issue is that the HoP's bedroom and the entire arrivals corridor tend to get blown out very early in a round due to glass construction and not much to shield them from debris. There also doesn't seem to be a great deal of air in reserve, so it doesn't take much decompression before the whole station runs out of clean air.

Unfortunately I am not versed in how to use the SS13 map compilation tools to optimize git changes, nor is it my map to be screwing with in the first place, but given the lack of official updates I guess I could dropbox my version or something if people are interested.

As for the engine setup, it works fine for me now as-is, I just push the scrubbers out of the way and repurpose the depleted N2 tanks. Then I crank all the pumps to maximum, set both filters to plasma (though I'm not sure the freezer loop is even needed, given the space-cooling loop), and leave the emitter turned on once circulation is going. The REALLY KIND OF IMPORTANT thing that I was overlooking before is that you have to go to the air controls and set scrubbers 2, 3, and 4 (the ones in the supermatter chamber) to siphon mode, or at least filter plasma and N2. Otherwise the whole cycle just gets jammed in the chamber and delamination quickly follows.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Hatfish » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:53 pm #253981

Engineering has only one pair of insulated gloves.
There's no engivend or youtool in engineering either.
The chaplain's doors are all reinforced for god knows what reason.
The APCs STILL don't work.

I'd like to remind everyone that ministation died for this unfinished piece of shit.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Qbopper » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:40 pm #254007

Hatfish wrote:I'd like to remind everyone that ministation died for this unfinished piece of shit.


1. Rude?

2. Thank god

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Doctor Pork » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:55 am #254133

Hatfish wrote:Engineering has only one pair of insulated gloves.
There's no engivend or youtool in engineering either.
The chaplain's doors are all reinforced for god knows what reason.
The APCs STILL don't work.

I'd like to remind everyone that ministation died for this unfinished piece of shit.

Ministation was well on its way to the grave, Omega had very little to do with that POS kicking the bucket.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Hatfish » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:59 pm #254249

Ministation was complete, something that cannot be said of this map currently.

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Re: Omega Station

Unread postby Techbane » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:59 pm #254266

Okay, until such time as the creator returns and I am denounced for my blaspheming ways, I suppose I'll post my tweaked version for people to try playing with. Most notably it fixes power lines to APC's and air distro from atmospherics, as well as everything listed in my post above, some suggestions from the thread, and a MASSIVE list of things I tackled just this morning. Hopefully the map is mostly ready to play seriously now, and I included a plaintext quickstart guide for setting up the supermatter engine.

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I think the biggest caveat at this point is just that it still needs more security cameras.
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