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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Jordie0608 » Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:29 am #44900

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You'd have to manually replace all the wires by hand since every direction is still the same path.
There is a replace function, done by selection the whole map and then right click > find/replace in selection, but it doesn't work for wires because of the path issue, it makes them all half wires.

I'll see what I can do when there's not a map edit up that edits a majority of the map (paprika's side tiles becoming full tiles PR would conflict if I did it right now).


It'd be very easy to do with notepad++'s replace function, just change the path names.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Intigracy » Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:23 pm #45862

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Spacezenegger » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:40 am #46072

Could we make it so the fire alarm lights(?) don't appear on the exterior of whatever department/area they're covering. That way you wouldn't automatically know you have to avoid a certain area unless someone on the station told you to. For example, the outside of Science where the main hallway is. You wouldn't be able to know if that area is dangerous or not until you check yourself, you wouldn't see big flashing red lights until you entered the area.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Ikarrus » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:36 am #46081

What I'd really like to see is a separation of the HoP's office and the ID computer window.

The intention is to let the other heads of staff use the computer to make their own access adjustments (All heads can do this now) in a convenient location.

And the HoP gets to keep a private office.

Please just make it look nice and not like Malkevin's hack <3
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:38 am #46083

Isn't that what the Bridge's ID Console is for?
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Intigracy » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:38 am #46084

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Ikarrus » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:49 am #46086

Thanks Inti <3

Steelpoint wrote:Isn't that what the Bridge's ID Console is for?

- The convenience of the line and window
- It would help towards actually letting the heads know they actually have the ability to change IDs.
- Fewer HoPs leaving spare IDs in the computer like a skrub
- Stealing spare IDs from shitty HoPs
- Robusting the shitty HoP that gave the rainbow tide access to your department.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Gun Hog » Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:38 am #46089

Ikarrus wrote:Thanks Inti <3

Steelpoint wrote:Isn't that what the Bridge's ID Console is for?

- The convenience of the line and window
- It would help towards actually letting the heads know they actually have the ability to change IDs.
- Fewer HoPs leaving spare IDs in the computer like a skrub
- Stealing spare IDs from shitty HoPs
- Robusting the shitty HoP that gave the rainbow tide access to your department.


You can also consider giving ID Consoles to each head's office and a table + R-windoor for transferring IDs as well. Few heads know about this ability, but it will become much more apparent if each head has their own console. I have had success with this as RD by building my own, but the CMO and HoS do not have this luxury. The bridge is far too out of the way and inconvenient for this. There is no easy way to transfer IDs between parties (you either let them into the bridge or make them wait outside) either.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Intigracy » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:03 pm #46249

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Ikarrus » Thu Nov 27, 2014 3:17 am #46343

It's good. I'd approve it.

But I think it could be even better if the rooms were flipped so the Administration Room (That's what I'll be calling it) is on top while the HoP's office is on the bottom. I understand it's a lot more work, but this way we'd have the opportunity to better balance the use of space between the rooms.

I think it's also important that the HoP be able to notice anyone walking up to the admin window from his desk. It looks like this would be difficult to do with the HoP office wedged in between the other two rooms.

I also don't think the HoP really needs a security camera console. It's not really an essential part of his job, plus there's already one in the next room over on the bridge.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:52 am #46355

Placing a R-Window + Electrified Grille (With a shutter) where the Requests Console is would allow the HoP to see what's going on in the Admin Room.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Thu Nov 27, 2014 4:09 pm #46426

This does mean your essentially removing 90% of the HoP's job role and by saying the admin room is for all to use its going to cause a few IC arguments. (e.g. GET OUT MY OFFICE! ITS NOT YOUR OFFICE!).

I would side more with the idea of giving heads an ID console in their offices. It would make a lot more sense and be easier to demote people without having to drag them all the way to the bridge.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Gun Hog » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:07 pm #46443

If you add this Admin room with the idea that it does not belong to the HoP (have fun convincing the players of that!), you will need to move Ian out of it.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Intigracy » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:32 pm #46456

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Ikarrus » Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:58 pm #46460

You could at least stem the horrible outbreak of all access by controlling the ID computer locations.

Having 4 extra consoles around the station seems excessive to me.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby TheWiznard » Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:43 pm #48471

When you guys changed box's mining asteroid over to meta's mining asteroid the mining crew monitor console was removed/not put in the medical bay of the mining station. (unless it was intentionally removed for some dumb reason) It would make a huge difference if someone could add that back.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:36 pm #52379

One problem I've seen when babysitting in the Warden's role is that you have very limited visibility of any prisoners in your brig, so I've taken a crack at altering the brigs layout to give the Warden a better view of everything down below.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby paprika » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:23 pm #52396

Bretty gud honestly, but might be [shitcurity intensifies] if people can't see who's being brigged at the front of security.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Perakp » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:41 pm #52408

Would be terrifying to sit in your office with prisoners all around you, just waiting to break through their windows and run you over.

Also big thing with current brig cells is that people without brig access can see who are brigged.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Scones » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:05 am #52657

That new office is huge.

But I like that people no longer know who's brigged. Security isn't a police force, they're privately contracted. The concept of someone 'vanishing' into the brig wherein their fate remains unknown is fantastic and I think adds a good deal to Security's intimidation factor. After all, nobody will be able to hear you scream from outside the brig in the new layout.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Reimoo » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:43 am #52728

Cecily wrote:The concept of someone 'vanishing' into the brig wherein their fate remains unknown is fantastic and I think adds a good deal to Security's intimidation factor. After all, nobody will be able to hear you scream from outside the brig in the new layout.

This, I never liked the fact the cells were only a single r-window away from being out of captivity. Because you can still see out of the brig, it feels like a timeout room rather than a jail cell.

Conversely, if you've ever been brigged in the cell without windows you would know how different it feels.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:28 am #52729

I'll work on the design and post a more detailed/fleshed out image.

My main concern it that it might make the lower brig too large, you can already see the Warden' Office is quite large yet lacks many areas to put his equipment that is not next to a glass window.

However the benefit of this is the addition of a Brig Medbay.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Saegrimr » Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:52 am #52735

Reimoo wrote:it feels like a timeout room rather than a jail cell.

That's basically what it is.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Saegrimr » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:29 pm #59036

Theres a heater and freezer stacked here next to the telescience room.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby peoplearestrange » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:35 pm #59037

Reimoo wrote:
Cecily wrote:The concept of someone 'vanishing' into the brig wherein their fate remains unknown is fantastic and I think adds a good deal to Security's intimidation factor. After all, nobody will be able to hear you scream from outside the brig in the new layout.

This, I never liked the fact the cells were only a single r-window away from being out of captivity. Because you can still see out of the brig, it feels like a timeout room rather than a jail cell.

Conversely, if you've ever been brigged in the cell without windows you would know how different it feels.


It would also stop the greytide. Given that generally the only people who physically break people out of the brig is because of the "lols" rather than for awesome prison break RPing that you'd want to expect.

It be nice if the warden could activate a flash in the cells FROM the office though. To stop anyone who would trying to be break through into the office.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby paprika » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:31 pm #59087

Wardens can really easily close the blast doors on the cell windows which are completely indestructible.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Phalanx300 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:05 pm #62705

How about creater one "big" server room which combines AI Chamber,Telecomms and Server Room.

Edit: Also, the "old" incinerator doors still say Incinerator while there isn't one anymore.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:06 pm #63566

As a HoS who gets a little too much joy out of torturing prisoners, I'd like to thank the mappers for the beautiful new "prisoner transfer" room. Surgical tools, anesthetic, and a gas chamber all in one! On a related note, I think it's a little silly that you need captain access for the vent button. If they're worried about unauthorized executions, the HoS already has 50 different ways to execute prisoners without the room.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Steelpoint » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:26 am #63585

I actually dislike the readdition of the gas chamber, its very inefficient, slow and clunky to use.
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Postby allura » Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:36 am #63600

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Luke Cox » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:54 am #63635

Steelpoint wrote:I actually dislike the readdition of the gas chamber, its very inefficient, slow and clunky to use.

So is smashing the bottle of booze over your victim's head and setting them on fire in the courthouse while an audience watches, but I don't give a shit about that. True sadism takes patience.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

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Luke Cox wrote:
Steelpoint wrote:I actually dislike the readdition of the gas chamber, its very inefficient, slow and clunky to use.

So is smashing the bottle of booze over your victim's head and setting them on fire in the courthouse while an audience watches, but I don't give a shit about that. True sadism takes patience.


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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Gun Hog » Wed Jan 28, 2015 2:12 pm #63765

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Steelpoint wrote:I actually dislike the readdition of the gas chamber, its very inefficient, slow and clunky to use.

So is smashing the bottle of booze over your victim's head and setting them on fire in the courthouse while an audience watches, but I don't give a shit about that. True sadism takes patience.


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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Phalanx300 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:00 pm #79534

As an AI you can't interact with "Telecoms Control Room Air Alarm", is that intentional?

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Gun Hog » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:41 pm #79573

No. Several machines are bugged for the AI. It is a part of the code that prevents an AI interacting with things it cannot see on camera.

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Gun Hog wrote:No. Several machines are bugged for the AI. It is a part of the code that prevents an AI interacting with things it cannot see on camera.


Ah that would explain it. Also can't interact with overload circuit in certain areas like Gravity Generator for example.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Gun Hog » Tue Mar 31, 2015 9:27 pm #79638

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Gun Hog wrote:No. Several machines are bugged for the AI. It is a part of the code that prevents an AI interacting with things it cannot see on camera.


Ah that would explain it. Also can't interact with overload circuit in certain areas like Gravity Generator for example.

Several machines are sadly that way. the camera nerf works in most places, but bugs out in situations like that, you just have to bear with it. I have no clue how to fix it.

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Postby Atlanta-Ned » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:10 pm #81260

Courtroom needs a hammer and gavel. I had to pray for them the last time I tried to host a trial.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Reimoo » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:29 pm #83014

I think the armory window that leads to the equipment room should be replaced with a bolted airlock with officer level access and the only way to unbolt it is via a warden level access button inside the armory.

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Scones » Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:40 pm #83113

Reimoo wrote:I think the armory window that leads to the equipment room should be replaced with a bolted airlock with officer level access and the only way to unbolt it is via a warden level access button inside the armory.


We could just have Bay armory with blast doors to the locker room that can be opened by the Warden/HoS from the inside
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby imblyings » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:31 am #83231

one of the double science lobby airlocks can't be seen by the AI, which is kind of annoying when door requests for that door happen. I don't think it's an intentional camera blindspot.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Saegrimr » Sat May 09, 2015 9:19 pm #86949

Whoever redesigned mining forgot to change the loading machine directions. Its currently input_dir 4 and output_dir 8, which means it just wont work since its trying to pull from a wall and push into another wall.

Needs to be input 1 and output 2

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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby DemonFiren » Sat May 09, 2015 10:15 pm #86959

Uh, those things are out of use. And have been out of use in, like, forever.
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Postby Saegrimr » Sat May 09, 2015 10:46 pm #86961

Being rarely used is no excuse for having it be broken.
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Postby RocKeD » Sun May 10, 2015 1:18 am #86975

Saegrimr wrote:Being rarely used is no excuse for having it be broken.

That's well said.

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Postby DemonFiren » Sun May 10, 2015 8:07 am #87023

I would say mech ballistics are inclined to disagree, but no more.
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Re: Boxstation General Feedback

Postby Saegrimr » Sun May 10, 2015 8:25 am #87026

That sounds like a topic for another thread.

To elaborate, if something is meant to not be used, removing it is the best option. Not keeping it around unable to be used. I wouldn't be against just removing the unloading machine entirely since its only purpose is to pull ores out of ore crates, something i'm fairly sure the smelter does already. However this is a simple var fix.
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