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"New" ID sprites criticism

Post by deedubya » #522032

This will mostly mirror my feedback from the PR itself, but frankly I'm astonished that such a sloppy and unfinished attempt was even merged as-is, so it definitely bears repeating here.

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These are the new cards and wallets that were made, along with the old card in the top left for comparison. I'm aware of why these were made. The ID cards preceding the clean square look were also diagonally slanted, and people are nostalgic. That's a fine reason to want to want to change back, if you can improve on what currently exists. The aesthetic design of the card itself is something that I believe is an improvement over the horizontal cards, and if applied to the horizontal style would look great. However, let me quickly go over why these new cards were unfit to replace the old ones.

1: Most important issue: Not all of the icons have been rotated to match the alignment of the new cards. Regardless of if this was done out of necessity(due to the limited pixels available and not all icons looking good after being rotated) or not, it's incredibly sloppy and inconsistent and just comes across as an unfinished product. This is by far the biggest strike against the new cards, and they never should have been merged without this being dealt with. If it's impossible to deal with this issue, then the new cards should have been abandoned entirely. Yes, it sucks to have to abandon hard work after encountering an unsolvable issue, but that's how development works. The old cards were functional, consistent, and not aesthetically displeasing to look at. They should have never been replaced with something that looks this sloppy. It sets an extremely poor example for our codebase as a whole.

2: The stripe in the center of the card denoting the department with a different color surrounding the icon(and in the icon itself) is not immediately intuitive, especially compared to the older cards which had a consistent color for each department. This is just muddy design that can confuse people easily. The lawyer's card having the red outline is the most immediate example I can think of, giving less experienced players the impression that the lawyer is part of security's chain of command. The design should be immediately identifiable and informative at a glance.

3: The sprite itself just looks incredibly aliased and rough to look at. This becomes especially apparent on silver and gold ID cards, due to the contrasting colors. This is more of an aesthetic preference rather than a design flaw, so this point could be ignored, but it's one I know I'm not alone on.



tl;dr: New cards look inconsistent and unfinished due to the icon rotation issue, and the color patterns aren't immediately intuitive. Should never have been merged to replace perfectly consistent and functional cards. Nostalgia is not an excuse. Revert.
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Post by kopoba » #522033

Yep looks like shit but its merged already no way back =(
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Post by PKPenguin321 » #522061

Also revert new toolboxes
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Post by cacogen » #522079

yeah they're shit glad i'm not the only one who actually preferred the "old" new ones. the idea was good, just poorly executed
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Post by cacogen » #522088

IDs through the ages
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Post by gum disease » #522110

old diagonal cap id was the best bc it looked like a golden ticket from willy wonka

old new ones are ok but i don't like the emag sprite, not sure why
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Post by wesoda25 » #522186

2016 were still the best but the ones that just got replaced are much better than what we have now.
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Post by FloranOtten » #522282

The new ones look unfinished. The diagonals look very janky, and I don't think that's a necessary problem.
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Post by Cobby » #522456

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Post by Sandshark808 » #522471

pubby wrote:Image
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That's pretty good.
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Post by actioninja » #522797

I liked pubby's sprite but thought it wasn't quite there
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Can't decide if I just made it worse.
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Post by Sandshark808 » #522800

actioninja wrote:I liked pubby's sprite but thought it wasn't quite there
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Can't decide if I just made it worse.
I like that one. The little punch for a lanyard is an interesting addition, and kinda makes me want ID lanyards for the neck slot.
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Post by skoglol » #522801

If you put an ID in your ID slot it shows up on your sprites chest
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Post by pubby » #522803

I had this one too, which is compatible with the HUD icons.

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Post by deedubya » #522821

pubby wrote:I had this one too, which is compatible with the HUD icons.

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This actually looks quite good. That colored line on the bottom could even be used to denote the department.

Hell, I'd even be down to make an entire set of ID sprites using this as a base, with permission/a little help. Less whining about issues and more doing something about them from my part.
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Post by actioninja » #522937

Some random ideas I'm playing around with.
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Post by wesoda25 » #522945

I like base more than stubby. Really good though, if you made an entire set it'd be a good match for tg.
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Post by cacogen » #522966

Do they have to look so modern and plasticky? Reminds me more of Starbound than my crude autism simulator.

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Post by actioninja » #523117

full set
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Post by Sandshark808 » #523119

Those are awesome. Really nice work!
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Post by zxaber » #523198

I'd certainly appreciate the robo job icon not being nearly unrecognizable again.
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Post by deedubya » #523209

The full set looks really good, actioninja. The only criticism I can think of is the data port section of the ID(the brass/silver lines) being inconsistent on the gold cards, and having too little contrast on the gold/silver cards.

That being said, I've been playing around with alternate colors in photoshop and can't seem to find a single color that works on all of the presented cards while still visually representing an electrical contact point.

edit: Also, we could use the "stubby" design to replace the budget card sprites, for when those eventually get re-added into the game.
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Post by Sandshark808 » #523219

Deedubya, if you wanted the contacts to stand out in all designs, how about making a strip of a single color over that area in all cards? Say, a black strip with the gold contacts over it.
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