/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:45 pm**

Bottom post of the previous page:

Agux909 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:12 am It should only surround the ship up to max viewing distance from inside and, while the effect is active, gib anyone stepping out.

I don't think that's a good idea either, but something to consider for sure.

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 6:47 pm**

Here are the shuttles! We've got Cargo, Emergency, and Arrivals all for your viewing pleasure. All of these are done with pod aesthetics + red lights to match the design of the North Star's maintenance. They look fantastic in my opinion.

The Cargo Shuttle! A little small, but it has a built-in conveyor!

The Arrivals Shuttle! Functional, snug, and aesthetically pleasing!

The Emergency Shuttle! A decently sized emergency shuttle that remains as close to multi-z as possibly, while retaining elements from the map itself.

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:08 pm**

The map is OUT of draft, I put it up for review now. Let's see how it fares!

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 7:11 pm**

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/71731

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:33 pm**

Cheshify wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 5:45 pm
Agux909 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 1:12 am It should only surround the ship up to max viewing distance from inside and, while the effect is active, gib anyone stepping out.
I don't think that's a good idea either, but something to consider for sure.

Yeah I was just spitballing. Good luck with the review. Also that shuttle looking tight!

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:10 pm**

List of things I contributed to on the Northstar
for credit reasons

The Library
Pysch Ward
Construction and Tool Storage
Telecomms (revised by chesify)
Most of Deck1 1, but all of it was revised.
Abandoned Comissary
Cytology
Abandoned Engineering
Theater
Bar (Revised)

That's all I can remember off my head.

Still, great map to play on. Would love to see it in rotation.

Posted: **Thu Dec 08, 2022 10:42 pm**

Alright, map needs to be put back into the oven for a bit longer, and I personally realize that I've done nothing but this in my free time, so a little break.

Posted: **Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:36 pm**

Soo which station(s) is this gonna replace?

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:13 am**

I don't normally like big maps but I'm excited for this one

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:17 am**

Timonk wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:36 pm Soo which station(s) is this gonna replace?

According to conversations on the manuel hut, none.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:18 am**

Also I don't wanna be a little hater and I might be alone on this but boy do I not like the shuttle walls, they're kiiinda ugly, specially when compared to the normal shuttle's titanium walls

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:06 am**

Wait... two kitchens? Right across the hall from one another?
I can't wait for the restaurant wars

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:50 am**

TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:18 am Also I don't wanna be a little hater and I might be alone on this but boy do I not like the shuttle walls, they're kiiinda ugly, specially when compared to the normal shuttle's titanium walls

they look different in map editor. Think mining survival pod walls.

Posted: **Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:42 pm**

Striders13 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:50 am
TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:18 am Also I don't wanna be a little hater and I might be alone on this but boy do I not like the shuttle walls, they're kiiinda ugly, specially when compared to the normal shuttle's titanium walls
they look different in map editor. Think mining survival pod walls.

Ooo I take it back then

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:09 am**

Farquaar wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:06 am Wait... two kitchens? Right across the hall from one another?
I can't wait for the restaurant wars

The initial design for it was to let the Bar work better as a cafe, being able to make cake slices to hand out with tea/coffee, or sandwiches and the like, while the Chef(s) work as an actual restaurant.

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:32 am**

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:09 am
Farquaar wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:06 am Wait... two kitchens? Right across the hall from one another?
I can't wait for the restaurant wars
The initial design for it was to let the Bar work better as a cafe, being able to make cake slices to hand out with tea/coffee, or sandwiches and the like, while the Chef(s) work as an actual restaurant.

What if we placed 2 kitchens across from each other and made a little bar island in the middle

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:14 am**

I personally will run the mini restaurant like an ice cream shack. Just wish mudslides were a recipe. And a Pink Squirrel

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2022 7:04 pm**

I love all the cool things you guys are thinking about doing on the map, really exciting!

Posted: **Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:26 pm**

TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:18 am Also I don't wanna be a little hater and I might be alone on this but boy do I not like the shuttle walls, they're kiiinda ugly, specially when compared to the normal shuttle's titanium walls

They look kind of wonky in the editor, once the smoothing is in and they've got the pod textures, they're honestly nice.

Posted: **Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:51 pm**

Staying the course with progress reports: not much to say at the moment, map is not dead (not by a long shot!) and it's still my full intention to get it into rotation. Been doing some minor edits here and there but so far I'm relatively satisfied with the map's general quality. Any issues that still need fixing in relation to missing job supplies/roundstart errors just need more tests to confirm, but that's for when parallax is fixed and everyone can actually run the map.

Posted: **Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:43 am**

The PR is back open, and I'm excited to do more tests after the holidays! Thank you to Lemon for the parallax fixes!!!
https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/71731

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:57 am**

i like this map. i want this map

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 am**

Here's the rundown on why I'm closing down the PR and reconsidering options. The North Star meets and far exceeds my standards for map quality, but the map does simply not run on Byond. It's too massively large for TGcode and parallax, and after recent tests I believe it won't be fun for me or others if the map is merged as is, simply due to maptick issues. I'm going to spend some time taking a break and then redesigning the map from the ground up using cues from the original North Star in order to get the project in a much smaller state. I'm sorry.

Also people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:48 am**

north starers... we lost... (temporarily)

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:58 am**

TheSmallBlue wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:48 am north starers... we lost... (temporarily)

Losing is just a prelude to winning

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:24 am**

this looks incredibly dank

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:54 am**

Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 amAlso people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.

Where? All the feedback on the git and forums has been positive from what I've seen.

Discord users aren't people so what they think doesn't matter.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:38 pm**

Farquaar wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:54 am
Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 amAlso people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.
Where? All the feedback on the git and forums has been positive from what I've seen.

Discord users aren't people so what they think doesn't matter.

The people who leave feedback on the git/forums are usually completely different from those who leave feedback in-game. Very different breeds of player, one is usually significantly better than the other about leaving constructive feedback.

I hope this project does come back sooner than later, big deviations from typical station layouts are always nice to see to give the rotation some good variety.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:49 pm**

Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 amAlso people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.

>Station mapper introduces new map
>Everyone hates it for no reason and mapper is bullied off the platform
A tale as old as time.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:17 pm**

Considering it is closed on the Github and I never got around to asking like I intended when you first posted this...

Are there intended server populations for this map?

Low pop, most functional pop, etc.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:39 pm**

Misdoubtful wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:17 pm Considering it is closed on the Github and I never got around to asking like I intended when you first posted this...

Are there intended server populations for this map?

Low pop, most functional pop, etc.

The original intention was highpop, but considering the pending redesign, I'm unsure. It will still be large, but technical limitations are hampering my interest in even trying.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:41 pm**

>Station mapper introduces new map
>Everyone hates it for no reason and mapper is bullied off the platform
A tale as old as time.

Player plays a map for the first time, doesn't know where something is, gets angry at their mental inability to open a linked forum thread and look at the provided map, starts screaming, and then calls the map shit.

Don't worry, people being peabrained idiots isn't the main source of my reservations, mostly the fact that the engine genuinely cannot handle the map.

Posted: **Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:11 am**

Timonk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:49 pm
Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 amAlso people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.
>Station mapper introduces new map
>Everyone hates it for no reason and mapper is bullied off the platform
A tale as old as time.

"THIS ISN'T A COPY/PASTE OF METASTATION!!! I HATE IT!!!" - The average SS13 player

Cheshify wrote: ↑Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:41 pm
>Station mapper introduces new map
>Everyone hates it for no reason and mapper is bullied off the platform
A tale as old as time.

Player plays a map for the first time, doesn't know where something is, gets angry at their mental inability to open a linked forum thread and look at the provided map, starts screaming, and then calls the map shit.

Don't worry, people being peabrained idiots isn't the main source of my reservations, mostly the fact that the engine genuinely cannot handle the map.

What issues did it have now that it didn't have back on Starbloom anyway?

Posted: **Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:13 am**

bring back box

Posted: **Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:22 am**

CMDR_Gungnir wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:11 am What issues did it have now that it didn't have back on Starbloom anyway?

TGstation has a higher pop, worse maptick, and more things goin on. I've had four tests, with the final one confirming the map cannot be run in it's current state due to performance issues for all players. I don't have the maptick graph on hand but it's disheartening.

Posted: **Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:55 pm**

sad to see this happen, although i gotta say that the original map was very well done and i'm excited to see on how it's gonna turn out to be since it's not being given up on, very inspiring :]

Posted: **Fri Dec 30, 2022 6:12 pm**

Andrymeda wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 4:55 pm sad to see this happen, although i gotta say that the original map was very well done and i'm excited to see on how it's gonna turn out to be since it's not being given up on, very inspiring :]

The issue is just performance, there's not much I'd like to change in the map if I wasn't forced to. I've been told the fact that multiz is very constantly used all across the station is the leading issue, but that really disappoints me because that's what makes the map and maintenance fun.

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:41 pm**

Cheshify wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:04 am Here's the rundown on why I'm closing down the PR and reconsidering options. The North Star meets and far exceeds my standards for map quality, but the map does simply not run on Byond. It's too massively large for TGcode and parallax, and after recent tests I believe it won't be fun for me or others if the map is merged as is, simply due to maptick issues. I'm going to spend some time taking a break and then redesigning the map from the ground up using cues from the original North Star in order to get the project in a much smaller state. I'm sorry.

Also people being really mean wasn't helping either, screw you guys.

Don’t give up, but don’t get burnout too, we have a lots of time.
364 days time.
Seriously, though, super sad this happened. I hope the redesign at least goes well and as planned.

Posted: **Mon Jan 02, 2023 10:56 pm**

The north star is very likely not happening, everything I need to do to get the map optimized is not what I want to map and enjoy designing, and the idea of needing to redo the entire thing is just agonizing after I have a fully finished map at my fingertips.

Posted: **Tue Jan 03, 2023 1:22 am**

then hopefully there will be multi z optimization in the future? sucks to hear, I enjoyed it with what time I played

Posted: **Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:33 pm**

north starers... we lost... (not temporarily this time)

Posted: **Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:01 pm**

Rest in the stars, North Star.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:35 pm**

I've been given some reliable information that the North Star isn't done yet. With optimizations from 515 and a number of other things contributing to the server soon being able to handle this map, I'm re-opening the project. The PR is up now, and there's a feedback thread on the TGStation discord.

https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/74371

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:08 pm**

she north on my star till i trek

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 9:40 pm**

WE'RE SO BACK

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:35 am**

Thank you all for waiting so long. I wasn't ever sure that what needed to happen to have this map run properly was possible, so I shelved the project until then. Now that I'm being given some evidence of the optimizations needed, I'm happy to bring her back for a second try. I didn't want to keep the project up until we had any confirmation, so I had labelled it as "dead" as not to keep everyone waiting for something that might not come.

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:50 am**

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:10 pm**

IT’S BACK!?

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:58 pm**

We're having our first proper test on manuel!

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 9:59 pm**

We... crashed on the round. Joy

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:42 pm**

EVA contains zero mats por que?

Also, fake toolbelt spotted in EVA , CE's door, not command colored

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