Original non-station, non-space map

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:38 am #183615

The Nanotrasen crew find themselves marooned on a cold barren planet after an engine explosion due to improperly submitted flight plans.

Due to escape shuttles following the bigger shuttle, all escape pods have crashed with no survivors.

Following the crash, Emergancy Bluespace departmental shelter capsules are dispersed from the ship.
Majority of the crew escape from the wreckage. A few other crew members that fall out didn't fly so good.

It is up to the crew to return to CentComm from this barren, cold planet.

The crew are not alone.

http://puu.sh/pfJKI/4cb8942410.png

Urbex exploration, Innawoods, survival experience.
Lots of PVM, story, exploration, and unique PVP scenarios.

Not revealing a lot, but imagine getting shot in the darkness of the woods. Your killer can and will vanish into forest.

ShadowDimentio · Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:42 am

Sounds sick man.

Really there's no excuse to not include a full map though. As long as ghosting/code diving is a thing you won't be keeping any secrets from the crew.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:43 am #183617

Looks pretty cool

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:47 am #183620

ShadowDimentio wrote:Sounds sick man.

Really there's no excuse to not include a full map though. As long as ghosting/code diving is a thing you won't be keeping any secrets from the crew.

I got lost in my own map, which is funny because I had to spawn myself NVG mesons due to having no clue where I was during testing.

Man_Shroom · Post by **Man_Shroom** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:48 am #183621

I assume that this will be run as a special round wherein admins load this map and the normal gamemodes don't occur

This is also probably why J_mad isn't revealing everything yet, to prevent people from regularly gaming all the info.

ShadowDimentio · Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:53 am

I want to at least see the map though.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:54 am #183625

zlevels will be other areas in the planet.
you can hunt lizards to suit my evil anti lizard agenda, and some towns.

I need to look over zlevel transition code or ask Remie for her stairs code.

Wooden doors are very creepy sounding, which makes it all the more interesting

Nienhaus · Post by **Nienhaus** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:06 am #183630

Message me if you need sprites for this.

Post by **Armhulen** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:37 am #183634

DID SOMEONE SAY SNOWDIN 2?

Please bring back snowops...

Hibbles · Post by **Hibbles** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 5:06 am #183666

I'm a big sucker for planetary maps. I still remember with great fondness when we ran Jungle Outpost for a few rounds, and it was glorious, despite also being horrendously broken.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:05 am #183701

If there was some operating going on, I'm not sure on how the execution would be. Maybe NukeOps land on a boarding shuttle and make their way across forest. Maybe custom NukeOps.

Blob will have to be disabled, as with quite a few game modes. I cannot imagine playing gang on a map with so few APCs, or cult where you can hide anywhere. Revolution would be pretty annoying to play when the crew is huddled together and command-sec are so heavily armed.

One wrong move and the target would just vanish into the forest creating a search and eliminate round.

I'm not quite sure what custom sprites I'll need but more so sounds. I do have a large pack of sounds which I hope I can use depending on license.

SawuNPCs are under consideration too.

Eaglendia · Post by **Eaglendia** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:17 am #183710

J_Madison wrote:If there was some operating going on, I'm not sure on how the execution would be. Maybe NukeOps land on a boarding shuttle and make their way across forest. Maybe custom NukeOps.

Blob will have to be disabled, as with quite a few game modes. I cannot imagine playing gang on a map with so few APCs, or cult where you can hide anywhere. Revolution would be pretty annoying to play when the crew is huddled together and command-sec are so heavily armed.

One wrong move and the target would just vanish into the forest creating a search and eliminate round.

I'm not quite sure what custom sprites I'll need but more so sounds. I do have a large pack of sounds which I hope I can use depending on license.

SawuNPCs are under consideration too.

That's how Nuke worked on JungleStation pretty much, and it went well - about as well as anything could have gone on JungleStation, anyway. IIRC, they either had a couple of hover bikes on their shuttle or could purchase them with TC. You might consider an alternate objective, however; it still works gameplay-wise, but detonating a nuke on top of what amounts to a research-oriented refugee camp seems a little inglorious.

What does Gang have to do with APC count? Though, you have brought to mind the question of a power system - supermatter would work, but more appropriate would be a new system, some sort of generator that requires periodic interaction in the form of maintenance or upkeep, either having someone come by and interact with it to keep things in line and uniform across the compound, or just depositing minerals every once in a while to keep the power on. Likewise, a gravity generator isn't required on a planet, and I can't imagine an AI would be highly relevant either (though nothing would stop you from building one if you gather the materials), so all this will have to be considered alongside one or two other major points of interest for compound upkeep and sabotage.

Cult would probably be alright - they can already teleport between Z levels in space. Revolution is hard to gauge; you'd probably have to test it out assuming this project comes to fruition. On the station map, keep in mind that heads and rev leaders are eliminated for leaving the station Z level. This limitation isn't so easily applied to a non-space map, but simply making locations outside the compound suitably dangerous would help. There's also the tradeoff of a land-based map making it more difficult for heads of staff to do things like hide in space on the station Z-level.

Random events would probably be a much bigger deal on a planet where you have things such as weather to consider - the temperature could change periodically, for one, making external areas too cold or hot to traverse for extended periods without the proper equipment. The major buildings of the compound, of course, would each have their own sort of climate control system, insulating them from these effects (and giving atmospherics technicians a place here that's arguably more important than their place on our space station). Rainstorms would wash away blood trails, gibs, and tracks in the woods; harsh cloud cover would reduce visibility, and rare ash storms would be invariably lethal to anyone who can't make it into a protected area. A meteorite might touch down nearby, potentially bringing deposits of rare minerals close to the station, unearthing alien artifacts, or sparking forest fires; in a particularly unlucky case, such an event might utterly obliterate a building or two with little warning other than an ominous shadow overhead followed by a sudden, oppressive heat as the clouds overhead part to provide thoroughfare.

Basically, what's going to make this cool is making it feel like it's more than just an away mission - and that's going to take work.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:56 am #183716

My thoughts on a fully armed syndicate nuke team attacking stranded refugee camps as same as yours.
The other consideration I had was some kind of fight where "some kind of armed group" had a job to steal the "Nanotrasen hyperspace sequencer" and detonate a nanite bomb.

Ideas are only on paper, but it would be a very bloody fight considering the terrain and low light.

Gang tags are based on APCs. A room without an APC cannot be tagged. Not to mention "Psyke gang takeover in forest" would be difficult to track down.

Cult would be interesting, especially if some Tom dick or Harry walks into a ritual in the middle of a forest. Blair witch project basically.

Revolution would be a wild hunt for the hardest to kill animal; another player.

the first zlevel with the many forests is the safest. Other zlevels will feature clear warnings in the form of corpses of the dangers of wolves, bears, lizards, and who knows what else. It shouldn't be a surprise that players will die following a blood trail that leads to a locked room.

For random events, I would definitely consider implementing a weather system for the less safer areas. Blizzards is one thing to come to mind.

One idea I had in mind was satellite crashes which would bring with it electronic parts and batteries.

Heat is generated with space heaters, and potentially fires if I get around to coding fireplaces.

Power will be a very scary prospect. Most players rarely see power loss as a problem. Power will be mostly generated using the Pacman engines from the engineer capsule and plasma they can salvage from the engine, or from elsewhere.

The coldness makes a very interesting feature that creative players can do; since the map is cold, cryogenics can theoretically work with piping outside.

Many jobs will have their roles changed. Shaft miners will likely be explorers and hunters, cargo crew salvagers, botanists more responsible for food and lumberjack.

I wonder if chemists are good enough to work with little use of Chem dispensers. I'll allocate a healthy amount of chemicals, but thinking of chemists in 2555 working like chemists in 1900 using beakers and droppers makes me laugh.

My biggest fear is the endgame system. I would like to imagine two endings, one results in a syndicate rescue ship and the other results in a Nanotrasen rescue ship.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:14 pm #183735

An arrr peeee style gang mode would be fun. Imagine a couple gangers with bats loitering outside of an establishment. Two rival gangers walk up, talk smack, one pulls a switchblade and a good old fashioned rumble occurs. I wonder if our players could handle objectiveless gang

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:58 pm #183841

http://puu.sh/pgVbc/6f368f3792.jpg

Concept mapping for clockwise from top left

"Hut", "accident"
"Factory", "firing squad"

I might start some work on a different kind of environment that connects to this, later.

Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:13 am

looks more like an away mission than a full blown map? or was that what you were going for

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Sun Jun 05, 2016 2:16 pm #184016

PKPenguin321 wrote:looks more like an away mission than a full blown map? or was that what you were going for

its a full blown map, but I'm not releasing many screenshots of it. just specific locations, hence why it looks very "away mission".

the map is a full 255^2 each zlevel with locations, places, and such on each. A good amount of the map is indeed the environment, but I'll be adding NPCs, SNPCs, and the such to the content.

MrEousTranger · Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:16 pm

If its stuck on planet then that means that if xenos shows up, were gonna need predator to come in to kill the rest of them and then team up with some black chick to fight the queen.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:31 pm #184254

Is there an ETA for when this is going to be play ready? Because it looks pretty cool

Lumbermancer · Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:59 pm

Building a whole station around gimmick is better than trying to incorporate it into existing design or throwing it behind gateway. So this kind of a PvE i can get behind.

I would assume this map wouldn't have normal antag rotation?

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:42 pm #184291

Lumbermancer wrote:Building a whole station around gimmick is better than trying to incorporate it into existing design or throwing it behind gateway. So this kind of a PvE i can get behind.

I would assume this map wouldn't have normal antag rotation?

theoretically most antags should work fine

traitor should work fine. may have to disable bombs.
changeling fine, maybe few tweaks
DA - should be okay, but everyone is so goddamn close to eachother at roundstart
nuke - no.
rev - good god i don't want to think about it.
cult - too difficult if they hide away. blair witch project when someone accidentally walks onto the cult in the forest
wizard - no.
AI malfunction - no.
shadowling - way too overpowered in the dark forest.
ratvar - eh. unsure.

Wyzack wrote:Is there an ETA for when this is going to be play ready? Because it looks pretty cool

no ETA just yet, need to get the map optimised. some minor things causing problems (tiles are oxyless despite attempts to fix this). also need to get custom Zlevel torus setups working.

and a total of about 9 zlevels to map

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:08 pm #184296

Why not just make nuke ops the snow ops from snowdin

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:19 pm #184301

Armhulen wrote:Why not just make nuke ops the snow ops from snowdin

because they'd probably get killed by motostrelki, one of the main factions on the planet.

not to mention it would be strange fight and hard to fight in the snow.

Edit;
I am highly considering an exclusive operator gamemode which uses same/similar aspects but different enemies. Rather that syndicate I might consider instead the something else.

Work as begun on the third zlevel, Z3. Z1 is practically complete. Z2 is almost finished.

I'll need to work with Sawu to get new AI up and running. Sprites later.

Edit 2;
Follow the dirt and sand road, there is a military base owned by a company (80-150 soldiers) of the New Russian Motostrelki.
A platoon of soldiers, the Major and his personal guards operate the base.

You are welcome to take refuge in the grounds due to Nanotrasen diplomacy. However dragging, attacking, or stealing from any soldier will result in lethal retaliation. Due to attacks on their scouts and scouting base by the native species, they have a shoot to kill policy on anything that looks like native wildlife.

Nearby to a frozen lake are snowlizards settlements, towns, and village. They are very hostile to outsiders because they are very often shot at and killed by the Motostrelki during raids to steal space heaters and fuel.

Far from the military base, is a harsh forest and hunting ground.
Bears, wolves, and who knows what else skulk the forest for prey.

Closer to the military base is a small city, once bustling with life. Some facility still exists. Scavengers, tresspassers, adventurers, loners, killers, explorers, and robbers prowl the once proud city. Perimeter is under lockdown by Motostrelki. All civilian inhabitants have been evacuated and relocated.

MrEousTranger · Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:13 pm

J_Madison wrote: Edit 2;
Follow the dirt and sand road, there is a military base owned by a company (80-150 soldiers) of the New Russian Motostrelki.
A platoon of soldiers, the Major and his personal guards operate the base.

You are welcome to take refuge in the grounds due to Nanotrasen diplomacy. However dragging, attacking, or stealing from any soldier will result in lethal retaliation. Due to attacks on their scouts and scouting base by the native species, they have a shoot to kill policy on anything that looks like native wildlife.

Nearby to a frozen lake are snowlizards settlements, towns, and village. They are very hostile to outsiders because they are very often shot at and killed by the Motostrelki during raids to steal space heaters and fuel.

Far from the military base, is a harsh forest and hunting ground.
Bears, wolves, and who knows what else skulk the forest for prey.

Closer to the military base is a small city, once bustling with life. Some facility still exists. Scavengers, tresspassers, adventurers, loners, killers, explorers, and robbers prowl the once proud city. Perimeter is under lockdown by Motostrelki. All civilian inhabitants have been evacuated and relocated.

What you just said was quite possibly the greatest thing I have ever heard.

Post by **Armhulen** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:19 pm #186480

J_Madison wrote: Follow the dirt and sand road, there is a military base owned by a company (80-150 soldiers) of the New Russian Motostrelki.
A platoon of soldiers, the Major and his personal guards operate the base.

You are welcome to take refuge in the grounds due to Nanotrasen diplomacy. However dragging, attacking, or stealing from any soldier will result in lethal retaliation. Due to attacks on their scouts and scouting base by the native species, they have a shoot to kill policy on anything that looks like native wildlife.

Nearby to a frozen lake are snowlizards settlements, towns, and village. They are very hostile to outsiders because they are very often shot at and killed by the Motostrelki during raids to steal space heaters and fuel.

Far from the military base, is a harsh forest and hunting ground.
Bears, wolves, and who knows what else skulk the forest for prey.

Closer to the military base is a small city, once bustling with life. Some facility still exists. Scavengers, tresspassers, adventurers, loners, killers, explorers, and robbers prowl the once proud city. Perimeter is under lockdown by Motostrelki. All civilian inhabitants have been evacuated and relocated.

L O R E M A S T E R
I like it, good shit

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:47 pm #190740

Work has been made on an initial hospital setup.
Highly considering making the city and entire alternative zlevel.

Maybe cyberpunk theme. But I'm not into cyberpunk.

Biggest difficulty is working in top down 2D and trying not to get a sense of dead. Even Pokemon is 3/4 2D enough to display massive buildings on a big scale, but SS13 really can't do massive buildings.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:53 pm #191371

Do not tread unexplored grounds alone.

Wyzack · Post by **Wyzack** » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:58 pm #191372

Still breddy hybe for this

onleavedontatme · Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:11 am

Remember to remove all mesons from the map

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:41 am #191496

righto. i should probably insert a witty lore reason for that.

I'm trying to get the atmosphere and feeling of an abandoned hospital just right.
maybe it isn't big enough.
Then I'll try and get some creepy NPCs to roam about and scream at you. I have some old lingseeks screaming sounds I could probably use, or I could mess with licensing and try and pull some old game sound files I have.

I really want to emphasise the "you shouldn't have come here" feeling when exploring the facility and maximise player's fear by making escape from an encounter almost hopeless.

420weedscopes · Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:19 pm

never forget junglestation

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 4:30 pm #191604

This is not a station. Does jungle station's files still exist?

Been reading some /k/ skin walker, fleshgait, goatman inawoods stories. I've got some creepy as shit ideas to try out.

Dying is fun. And so is exploring. That's twice the fun.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:28 am #193851

experiment with multi level buildings. windows will not be in final map due to how tgstation mapping works unlike lifeweb.

underground sewer system mapped over "hospital". highly considering an entire metro system.

it is mapped over so X, Y levels fit perfectly over eachother. one screenshot shows the upstairs watchroom of the hospital.

currently theoretical zlevels are:
1; starting - complete
2; endgame (centcomm, nukeop ect) - haven't started
3; military base - complete
4; hospital - completing/completed.
5; lake/lizard village(s) - outlined.
6; settlement-refugee camp
7; deep forest
8; deep forest
9; deep forest
10; lizard hunting forest
11; metro-sewer for zlevel 3
12; metro-sewer for zlevel 4 - working on it.
13; metrosewer for zlevel 6

note metrosewer levels are indestructible and can contain upstairs or downstairs zlevels.

John_Oxford · Post by **John_Oxford** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:56 am #193907

for multi level buildings, couldnt you do what the escape shuttle does and teleport people to the zlevel below it? (or at the very least make 2nd story+ windows indestructable)
IE: jump out a window and you will take 70 brute and cut yourself on glass ect ect

do you plan to implement loads of shit that goes along with what the current station miners have now, that being the survivor ultra tactical usefulness kind of bullshit.
additionally, would you think it would be a good idea to implement more meaningless items, things like clutter and what not. (shelves stacked with empty boxes containing empty plastic bottles, tape roles, plastic covers, rubber tubbing, nylon straps, tinier pipes, paint thinner bottles, knocked over trashcans, marbles, tape measurers, ect ect.) It might add to the whole "on a cold barren planet that got fucked over and now we are here) kind of feel

Not-Dorsidarf · Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:51 am

This will probbably be a lot less atmospheric when there's 10 people with flashlights and flares

ShadowDimentio · Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:25 am

Flashlights will need to be super rare, which is impossible- lathes can print out a million and even if there aren't any people will just hoard the avaliable lights so ~they~ can see, fuck the poor saps who have no lights.

Also make metrosewer levels destructible in that the tunnels are lined with indestructible (or just hard to break) walls, whilst the rest is just rock you can mine for the rare ore.

Also also you could try canibalizing some code from how falling out shuttles work for the upper z-levels. Hell you could even use a blizzard-like motion thingy like the moving space while in transit for a reason why you couldn't really see anything, thus letting you include windows in higher levels.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:36 am #193942

The issue with falling out of stuff is something MSO pointed out; you cannot actually see anyone below you. Which isn't a major problem but creates an unrealistic gameplay issue. There are limits of top down as he says. Though I'm tempted to permafrost the windows as an excuse to why you can't see anything clearly.

It isn't impossible to see what's below you on zlevels. See for instance lifeweb. Unfortunately nobody has shown any sign of knowing how to code "half zlevels"; a different zlevel on the same zlevel and map, interconnecting with eachother.

I will be adding lots of clutter, NPCs, loot, junk, and places to explore after I outline the maps.
There isn't going to be a chunk that doesn't have content. Of course you won't be the only one to be squatting around for loot.

For more resticted areas of the map, I'll talk to kor about implementing a weather system.
The only torches available on this map will be some sec lights, flares, penlights, and small lighting items. Mesons, headlights and normal torches will be damaged and unusable due to the crash. I'm also tempted to break PDAs, but a small amount of light creates atmosphere. Flares are obviously in limited quantities (2-3 flares at most) and don't last forever.

Now a big focus on the hopelessness and dying is fun is the medical system. aside from the smal quantities on the shuttle (which is far away), which is fiercely fought over, you will have very little access to medical goods. bandages, ointment are rare to find. You might find something to drink from, but if you're bleeding, and bogging down your exploration team, you're probably going to die.

Miners will keep a majority of their content, however their focus will probably be on survival, scavenging, and exploring.

Security's role will be the similar, but with also a slight focus on trying to keep things in order.

Anyway if someone steals all the seclights, just kill his ass and drag his corpse into the forest. Headset radios don't work.
And there isn't many station bounced radios.

Enemies in this game are going to be as unforgiving as possible. Going at it alone is almost garuanteed to get yourself killed. anywhere except the starting zlevel and military base (unless you pissed off the soldiers) will have hostile NPCs. Especially the deep forests.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:24 am #204004

Work being done on the abandoned town.