/tg/Station 13

Supernorn posted about the BYOND SS13 sprites he's working on.

Blog post: http://spacestation13.com/2014/07/a-new-perspective/

Link to the image: http://spacestation13.com/wp-content/up ... ective.png

Dem walls

I implemented this once with Knockoff's of Supernorn's originals.

The problem is finding a solution for north-facing wall gadgets...

Otherwise, it's something I'd really really love to see.

Goon uses this stuff, and it shouldn't be hard to implement directional sprites for certain stuff.

Nay sayers who said ss13 didn't need consistent angled sprites be damned, this looks awesome.

We need those airlocks.

to be honest i think it looks horrible
on goon it looks so unfitting because nothing else is in that style, including the actual player characters (this is fucking important!!!!!!)
the sprites themselves are good but they would not work with this game

I don't care much for the floors and walls. But those lockers look awesome.

Muh perspectives!

It's like he sprited a whole new dimension, full of mystery and new angles to look things from.

none of you know what youre saying
they legitimately look awful in game
it fucks with the perspective even more than it already is fucked because instead of most things being in a similar perspective now a new one is added and it looks wildly different from everything else in the entire game

I agree with Miggles. The style is way off for TGStation.

its on goon and it looks like shit

Yeah I'm iffy on that art style, its a weird mish mash of two conflicting art styles and perspectives, it could work but everything would have to be remade to fit the new style.

The lockers though look great.

miggles wrote:none of you know what youre saying
they legitimately look awful in game
it fucks with the perspective even more than it already is fucked because instead of most things being in a similar perspective now a new one is added and it looks wildly different from everything else in the entire game

tl;dr: I don't like change

so when its a minor change involving consistency like a blinking light on a gun its considered super important but when youre changing several of the most common items to clash with the entire game's fairly consistent art style, consistency gets thrown out the window

Isn't the consistent angle of structures like walls and machinery more important than art style niggles

IE walls being top-down even though spacemen and machines are at an angle

Primary issue is that since as far as I know, the author hasn't committed the sprites in a (opensource) ss13 repo, and I don't see anything about licensing in their blog post, so we can't really 'steal it' due to copyright.
Secondary issue is that things like light switches/fire alarms/etc that attach to the south end of the wall are screwed.
Tertiary issue is that you would need to 'correct' a majority of sprites to fit with the new style.
Quaternary issue is that you must maintain the 'style' or else it will clash. Maintaining the style, according to you, cannot occur on artyom.

paprika wrote:artyom isn't a codebase where we care about ss13 original vibe integrity so much because we're not autistic.

To be frank there is nothing "autistic" about maintaining a artistic integrity across the board, if anything a clash of sprites and art is a massive negative drag to a game.

While I think the sprites for the Robust Games SS13 look pretty darn good thus far, the sprites shown off in this blog post, while nice looking, heavily clash with the current art style in a very bad way.

I sincerely hope /nt/ does not adopt the wall art style shown unless its prepared to change all of its art to reflect that, cause walls are one of the most common things your going to see in the game.

Neerti cherrypicked that quote from a different discussion because he can't into actual arguments.

Art style has nothing to do with gar glasses. You can make gar glasses in ss13 art/sprite style if you want. The use of colors and shading have more to do with what this thread is about than the retro future vibe that napkin was complaining about artyom ruining with an anime reference.

What I was talking about here in regards to stylistic choices were actually contrasting items. If you were to resprite all the machines to have a thick black outline for example, that would clash with the 'art style' of the game. Consistency in that regard should at least be attempted to be maintained for the sake of things looking consistent as if they were all sprited by the same artist or team. It has less to do with what I was talking about in the gar glasses thread, which is the retro future 'vibe' ss13 has which is frankly an autistic thing to obsess over as a reason to not include some joke reference items.

Also everyone saying that the new sprites from supernorn would 'clash', keep in mind he's planning on doing a COMPLETE overhaul as in respriting ALL those things that they would clash with. He wants to design an entirely new machine, structure, etc sprite base and establish a new consistent art style for the game like he did before. Read the post next time, seriously, I'm getting sick of having to paraphrase because nobody can into reading comprehension.

To be perfectly frank, a large amount of the sprites we have today are from Supernorn's first Overhaul.
I say we just trust him considering he's a hired "professional"

Yeah honestly I'd wait to see what his overhaul looks like on goon and see if they release them to the public. If they don't there's no reason to give a shit anyway, and if they do it's a worthwhile consideration to port to /tg/ code because he DID make the 'original' sprites that were on the original goon open source.

I'm sure he's going to find ways for mappers to work around light switches on the 'backs' of north walls, just give it more time before going like 'ew' when you look at goon or what have you.

I like them.

I hate them. I don't like the bottoms of the walls and how light they are, and I don't like the angle they're at. I'm fine with the old walls, and I don't want them to change.

I get the feeling you're looking at RR's image and not the one linked in OP

paprika wrote:I get the feeling you're looking at RR's image and not the one linked in OP

I don't like the angle of the ones in the OP, but yeah, the problem I had with the bottom of the walls is RR's image only.

Yeah guys you have to remember about my image:

I'm not a spriter + I sprited the rip-off ones used in the picture = Poop.

My issue with those walls is primarily that you utterly and completely lose wall items unless you are okay with them being crap.

You have virtually no canvas space to speak of on north walls, side walls are worse, and you just have to pretend that south walls don't exist. That means no APCs on south walls, on the entire map. Every sprite that involves wall items would have to be drawn in extreme perspective, which means that only spriters capable of and willing to pixelart in extreme perspective would be able to do the conversions. Sprites at that size and perspective would have virtually no room to speak of for meaningful details (the APC lights, while small, do actually say something), and all the different variations on them (wires-out for example).

It should be noted that byond has the ability to rotate the character perspective (making you face east, south, or west, and adjusting all map icons) and it is totally broken for ss13 currently. That would solve the perspective problem to some degree, but you would need to adjust a lot of icon files and the way some things, like the SS13 floor logo, are done. You also couldn't do it with the APCs and such on the wall next to the floor; you can't rotate the pixel offsets when you rotate perspectives. Also 2x1 objects don't rotate, although that doesn't matter here.

suomynonAyletamitlU wrote:It should be noted that byond has the ability to rotate the character perspective (making you face east, south, or west, and adjusting all map icons) and it is totally broken for ss13 currently. That would solve the perspective problem to some degree, but you would need to adjust a lot of icon files and the way some things, like the SS13 floor logo, are done. You also couldn't do it with the APCs and such on the wall next to the floor; you can't rotate the pixel offsets when you rotate perspectives. Also 2x1 objects don't rotate, although that doesn't matter here.

An admin did the rotate on me once. Was kinda cool but screwed up things like the sign.