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https://github.com/NTStation/NTstation13/pull/620

This PR changes the parapen to 4tc, the previous price was 3tc.

Here are some points about why this is a necessary and balanced change:

• - Parapen + C4 combo is now 6tc total. That is as much as a syndicate revolver.
  - You can no longer buy two pairs of Parapen + C4.
  - Parapen is now treated like an expensive tool, costing less than a firearm but still more expensive than basic items since it is incredibly effective (as proven by months of gameplay) for silently dispatching crewmembers even if you do not have a c4.
  - Fluff-wise, carpotoxin is a little hard to acquire, especially if they're pumping out these pens for their agents and fitting specialized hypospray-style injectors into tiny pens.

I personally feel like this nerf will do us all a lot better than nerfing zombie powder or the parapen itself ever will.

Mods, please move this thread to the /NT/station coding subforum. Thanks!

EDIT: In regards to the actual nerf, I approve. Parapen+C4 is bad in my opinion, and this nerf is a good balancing factor for an almost guaranteed kill.

Atomic facepalm.

/tg/ people should probably look at this too tho.

vote yes
parapen is gay

I was not expecting you to be the one to do this, given your sig. Needless to say, I am voting against this one.

I moved it per request.

Also voted yes.

I want my signature to be a constant reminder that even an unrobust scrub like me can absolutely shit on the most robust players in this game and remove them from the round with parapen C4. Not only can I do that, I can do that twice, and so can any of the other 2-5 traitors every round.

Do the math.

how about you just make it so c4 can't be placed on carbon mobs?

C4 is more designed for entry than to just stick on someones body and blow them up.

People would just use minibombs, which is a tc more expensive, so I guess I see your point.

Still, people will complain because c4 is -THE- go-to for body gibbing and if it's necessary down the road it'll be a change that is made.

Id rather see c4 loose its snowflake code to be a guarenteed gibbing

Malkevin wrote:Id rather see c4 loose its snowflake code to be a guarenteed gibbing

If you change C4 to not gib, people will just use minibombs. Though I'd like to see Parapen + Syndicate Bomb + Screwdriver + Wirecutters/Multitool.

I see no problem with that.

We could even make c4 a 1 tele crystal item so people might actually use it for breaching instead of emags.

B-but! Muh ez mode!

Yeah since it doesn't cause breaches unless placed on the floor and we've basically removed all non-breach explosions from gibbing you might as well do it to the c4 as well. I'm not sure how code surgery works perfectly so I'm not going to be the one to dissect c4 code to take out the mobs thing from it, even if it might be easy at a glance.

Also keep in mind with these nerfs, parapen + minibomb will cost 7tc total, which is expensive but fair considering you're taking someone out of the round for good 99% of the time.

I like this nerf compared to 'c4'd people leave brains behind' because it leaves more of a mess too, and it can backfire if the minibomber misses the throw or steps on it himself.

Someone change the c4 code for me and I'll lower the price and add it to my PR.

I like C4 gibbing and I don't mind being slugged with a parapen.

Other small explosives are being set off on the floor C4 goes off on your chest, I don't see why it needs to be "normalised".

I really don't see a need to nerf C4 myself. You spend 3 tcs and you can gib someone. Really a waste of TC considering all the way to permanently get rid of a body.

Only a couple of times have I actually para/c4'd someone, and it was generally for good cause. Most recent was a tator round where I'd stirred up some trouble, and was trying to arrange a meeting with the Captain so I can inform him of why I'd been sent to the station and such, in RP fashion hoping the Syndicate wouldn't find out and bluespace bomb me.

Captain was an asshole, constantly shoving me out of the way, blowing me off, closing the shutters in robotics so that I couldn't see him to talk to him etc.

That asshole got para/c4'd right outside of his office.

Fuck him.

One time I've used parapen is when I was traitor HoP and had to get the nuke disk off the captain. He was with the warden and I parapenned the warden before killing the captain and then taking his stuff. Coincidentally the captain had C4 on him from another traitor so I used it on him.

I prefer small variations on parapen C4. Detomax C4 back when det wasn't pointless and actually had a useful knock out on it (if it went off), revolver minibomb louder but quicker also knocked out a witness trying to save my target who I then killed. Parapen C4 then set it to a really long timer so I could blackmail my mime target into entertaining my deaf ass, they didn't so I spaced them.

Have there been instances where I have parapen C4'd straight up? Sure so I don't mind it being used on me, any quick take down isn't really fair the game isn't based on fairness it is based on asymmetry. People decry murder boner traitors then they turn around and hunt down their polar opposite single use assassination tools, disgusting.

Literally just removing the ability to stick c4 to people, or (gasp) the ability to pull it off (does it have some industrial strength, instant effect super glue or something?) would more or less fix this.

@Use mini-bombs

But those make holes in the floor and having a big space hole makes it harder to scrub out the evidence with soap. C4 does not do this.

>harder to remove someone from a round forever without any evidence

GEE WHIZ I WONDER WHY

the best way to get rid of bodies is to parapen, then beat them to death and use the pda exploder to gib the body

RIP I P welderbomb gibbings

TheTerbs wrote:the best way to get rid of bodies is to parapen, then beat them to death and use the pda exploder to gib the body

>implying that still works

paprika wrote:

TheTerbs wrote:the best way to get rid of bodies is to parapen, then beat them to death and use the pda exploder to gib the body

>implying that still works

Ive been traveling on this road too long

Just trying to find my way back home