Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

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Should the Chaplain's smoke spell book be removed?

Yes!
13
15%
Yes!
13
15%
Yes!
13
15%
Yes, but replace it with x!
0
No votes
Yes, but replace it with x!
0
No votes
Yes, but replace it with x!
0
No votes
No!
15
18%
No!
15
18%
No!
15
18%
Abstain
0
No votes
Abstain
0
No votes
Abstain
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 84

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Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Lovecraft » #6371

It's an item that's just begging to be spammed, and often is used that way.
I've never seen it used or talked about in a positive light.
Was just curious if others felt the same, and if public outcry was great enough to get the thing gone.
I've added the "replace it with x" option to maybe toss around a few ideas of non-spammy items that could be added in it's stead.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Psyentific » #6372

It exists solely to annoy people, and it's very good at doing that. Make like kebab and remove.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Facundo » #6374

All the times I rolled chaplain I put it in good use, but, it is kind of impartial starting this thread and promoting it when someone in the current shift is abusing it as outlined. (take note that I pressed summit only when the round ended, as to not icky oocky). Fortunadly, the chaplain taht was offending us ended being set on fire, tased and handcuffed.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Lovecraft » #6375

Facundo wrote:All the times I rolled chaplain I put it in good use, but, it is kind of impartial starting this thread and promoting it when someone in the current shift is abusing it as outlined. (take note that I pressed summit only when the round ended, as to not icky oocky). Fortunadly, the chaplain taht was offending us ended being set on fire, tased and handcuffed.
Yikes, good call. Should have waited.
Oh well, round's finished by now and I didn't reference it.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Comrade Leo » #6376

I've seen it used alot more as a grief instrument than a useful one. It needs a way longer cool down than it does currently.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Facundo » #6377

The problem is, even if I really like the smoke spell, you are sadly right, most of the chaplains just use the spell and fucking spam it, specially in the shuttle, before it even takes of. So... there is no denying you are right in asking for a removal, but, I just don't want it to go, is... fun.

fuck, it will be removed.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Facundo » #6378

maybe replacing it with something else? even something from Neerti's new mode?
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by danno » #6382

why do you hate fun
i've never seen this used wrongly
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by iamgoofball » #6387

we can always make it a nerfed version or something

(we should make it so the chaplain can put in a hex code of the color he wants the smoke to be too)
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Post by danno » #6388

that's kind of pushing it
>hexcode for polyacid smoke color
>hexcode for chloral smoke color
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by iamgoofball » #6391

and? it's not like it'll actually do anything other then color the smoke, and also there wouldn't be the bubbling sound or the text entry about the reagents bubbling so people would know it was just a smoke spell
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Psyentific » #6409

danno wrote:why do you hate fun
i've never seen this used wrongly
You clearly haven't played enough rounds, then. More than half the chaplains I see just spam smoke.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by ExplosiveCrate » #6412

Give it a huge cooldown, so chaplains can still use it for gimmicks and it doesn't become an incentive for people to chose a certain job because of any unique powers that it gets.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Kelenius » #6413

Wait

What?

Chaplain? Smoke spell?
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Psyentific » #6418

Kelenius wrote:Wait

What?

Chaplain? Smoke spell?
Metamap - The chaplain gets a book of the dank arts, which lets him learn Smoke. Shitty chaplains spam it.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by danno » #6493

Still don't see the problem here
and don't even say I haven't played a shitload of rounds with the smoke spell on the map
I've definitely played more than you, kiddo. It was put on the map before you came back.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by miggles » #6541

Psyentific wrote:
danno wrote:why do you hate fun
i've never seen this used wrongly
You clearly haven't played enough rounds, then. More than half the chaplains I see just spam smoke.
are you doing that thing where you act like people who disagree with you are ignorant again
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #6553

Gonna make it more secure so it isn't grey tided through the maint wall
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Post by Psyentific » #6557

paprika wrote:Gonna make it more secure so it isn't grey tided through the maint wall
If the chaplain has a locked locker, put it in that. Can you make it spawn in the chaplain's satchel instead?
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Tokiko2 » #6582

How about coding a special version that doesn't cause suffucation/coughing?

I think what annoys most people is the coughing effect that causes you to drop things and the chaplains that use it next to officers arresting someone.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #6596

Why doesn't tokiko just be our ideas guy for everything instead

I'll see what I can do about making a special smoke but you'd have to make a special chem reaction just for the smoke spell PLUS make an all new book and everything since the current smoke book/spell is actually the wizard's so
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Neerti » #6632

Just make it a child of the normal spell, like how wraiths have a nerfed jaunt.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #6778

It's not really the same, doesn't smoke cause coughing inherently? Doesn't the spell just spawn some smoke? Wouldn't you have to make a whole new or child 'coughless smoke' for the spell to work?
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Post by Neerti » #6784

There's a child of smoke called 'harmless'. Maybe you could start there?
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Post by miggles » #6800

you could make smoke a child of a new version of smoke that doesnt cause coughing, and have the real smoke add coughing
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #6811

Oh fuck no I'm not doing it myself I don't consider this to be a problem worth coding personally. A chaplain spamming cough smoke is a perfect excuse to rev up that stun baton.
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Post by Psyentific » #6841

paprika wrote:Oh fuck no I'm not doing it myself I don't consider this to be a problem worth coding personally. A chaplain spamming cough smoke is a perfect excuse to rev up that stun baton.
Problem - You tase him, he spams smoke, now you drop your baton and you can't see the baton because lolsmoke.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by lumipharon » #6860

I can attest to this, smoke makes it retard hard to try arrest them, you drop your weapon, drop your cuffs, and the smoke lasts long enough that they can keep it up literally non stop.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #6881

Psyentific wrote: Problem - You tase him, he spams smoke, now you drop your baton and you can't see the baton because lolsmoke.
Wrong, I turned my internals on to counter it as soon as I saw the smoke and now my baton is painted red and chaplain brains.

Seriously, you guys don't wear your gas mask 24/7? Are you casuals or just new to this shitcurity thing?
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Post by Psyentific » #6885

paprika wrote:
Psyentific wrote: Problem - You tase him, he spams smoke, now you drop your baton and you can't see the baton because lolsmoke.
Wrong, I turned my internals on to counter it as soon as I saw the smoke and now my baton is painted red and chaplain brains.

Seriously, you guys don't wear your gas mask 24/7? Are you casuals or just new to this shitcurity thing?
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by paprika » #7140

>sec beret
>not breaking into the captain's office and getting the SWAT helmet for maximum tryhard

pls.
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Post by Psyentific » #7148

>Not asking the captain nicely for his SWAT helmet since he doesn't use it 9/10 times
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by AseaHeru » #7365

Yah, thats they thing. If people just ASK instead of committing crimes...
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Post by Cipher3 » #7537

AseaHeru wrote:Yah, thats they thing. If people just ASK instead of committing crimes...
Can I have your spare ID, cap'n?
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by AseaHeru » #7760

That ones the sort of thing that would get denied.
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Post by Cipher3 » #7881

AseaHeru wrote:That ones the sort of thing that would get denied.
And then I would rob you.
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Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by AseaHeru » #8041

And then you would get permaed and probably executed.

But thank you for the trial that round.
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Post by Cipher3 » #8189

Never get enough trials... also I get away with robbing a lot.
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Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by iamgoofball » #8301

AseaHeru wrote:And then you would get permaed and probably executed.

But thank you for the trial that round.
If anything the captain should be perma'd and executed demoted for not securing the spare ID from roundstart emaggers/telescientists/greytides.

Usually the guy who steals the ID ends up being a far more competent Captain anyways.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by Psyentific » #8310

iamgoofball wrote: Usually the guy who steals the ID ends up being a far more competent Captain anyways.
I haven't logged into SS13 in at least a year.
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Re: Poll: Remove Chaplain Smoke Spell

Post by AseaHeru » #8351

Hey, I lock that shit up.
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