Summon mechs is dumb

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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by Cipher3 » #8936

Bottom post of the previous page:

Giving everyone overpowered items =/= balance
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Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
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Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by miggles » #8947

i really do fail to see how summon mechs is any more OP than summon magic or guns
the phazon is the only real issue IMO
all the other mechs are.. mechs, so the standard is set higher
when everyone is OP, nobody is OP
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #8968

Cipher3 wrote:Giving everyone overpowered items =/= balance
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these two words don't and should not go together at all
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by Cipher3 » #8973

Well, if you're telling me an Odysseus can fight any kind of combat based mech or even a Ripley, then mmkay. Odysseus with its default set can literally only affect out-of-mech people. Same goes for the Firefighter, though I don't know if that spawns, and the Ripley is probably going to die if the other mechs have lethal equipment. And the station isn't OPinated, poor walls, poor AI. How is Security supposed to do anything about dozens of mechs? With summon guns I see them mass-confiscating anyone they can bring in. You can't even bring in an Odysseus because it's so fast. There's not balance among the players. It invalidates every competent job and secure location as soon as an assistant gets a Ripley because drills.
Spoiler:
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

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DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #8975

so?
in guns some people got tasers others got gyrojets


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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by Tokiko2 » #9002

I dislike the spell.

Mechs provide great defense, most of the summoned mechs can barely scratch other mechs with their weapons and they do not have infinite power which means that many people choose to just sit around at a location to avoid running out of charge. This means that the mech rounds are really quiet compared to summon guns or summon magic.

Now, if the mechs had infinite charge, completely randomized equipment and weapons...
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by TheTerbs » #9016

everybody should get keys to a generic civilian mech at the beginning of the round

like cars

space cars
you're gonna carry that weight
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by Cipher3 » #9069

ColonicAcid wrote:so?
in guns some people got tasers others got gyrojets


rng man
rng
A robust tazer can take down the gyrojet man then take the gyrojet. A robust gyrojet can blow a hole in the tazer man's chest. An Odysseus cannot swallow a Durand, a Durand can blow a hole in the Odysseus's chest.
Tokiko2 wrote:I dislike the spell.

Mechs provide great defense, most of the summoned mechs can barely scratch other mechs with their weapons and they do not have infinite power which means that many people choose to just sit around at a location to avoid running out of charge. This means that the mech rounds are really quiet compared to summon guns or summon magic.

Now, if the mechs had infinite charge, completely randomized equipment and weapons...
This was my next point, actually. It doesn't create chaos so much as it does people that are much harder to kill and do their jobs way less.
Spoiler:
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

OOC: HotelBravoLima: I literally can't be removed from power.


I demand this ban be lifted right now. ~Bibliodewangus

Erin Wake whispers, "You should ready up on Badger and boink with me..."

"I think you guys are just tired of drinking hitler and now you want diet hitler.
I've got all that great hitler flavor but only half the hitler calories." - Anon3

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that PR matters. ~MisterPerson

DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by paprika » #9107

I think it should be 3tc and the odys should come with dual lexorin syringe guns and the ripleys should have diamond drills but yeah it was fun while it lasted but it's going to ruin wizard rounds for a long time unless something is done about it considering it's going to be the choice for practically every wizard for weeks.

I'd like @RR to take a look at removing or at least tweaking it a bit. Summon melee is fun as fuck tho.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #9129

any wizard who uses summon anything is dumb

the griffing shits /will/ get killed and then they'll turn the weapons straight at you.
don't do it.
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Post by miggles » #9148

i dont have anything to say
there is no response i can come up with to how horrible that post is
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #9154

uhm. I swear to god miggles if you somehow say that "it doesn't matter it's fun!!!" i'll fucking wedgie you
it's pretty much true though? If we're talking about how effective at winning the round as a wizard is, then summon x is fucking shitty. You're depending on the crew to murder eachother. What if they don't? Oh look your whole plan just went to shit, now the crew has the best thing against you, physical bullets/mechs!

Depending on other people to do shit for you isn't how you're going to win unfortunately. The only person who you can count on is yourself in these situations. I dunno is Magic Missile, Jaunt and Ei Nath still retardly strong? Because if you didn't use to go this set up you were either trying to do some gimmick or being "funny" by spawning 5X guns.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by paprika » #9160

I like how your grammar gets better the more you try to make a point, maybe you should always post like that CA
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #9169

no fuck you i've written essays for like half my life now i can write how i ever i want
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by NikNakFlak » #9216

I agree with paprika (for once)
The other summon spells seem great because its mostly man to man and crazy chaos and stuff. Guns is well guns, killing and shit. Magic is magic, with people being turned into creatures, getting revived with healing staffs and tossed around, and shit like that. Melee is great because murderbone hand to hand style is classy. Mechs was the only thing I didn't like and getting it removed seems like a good idea. Keeping it as an admin button though right?
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Post by Neerti » #9239

Summon mechs can be made better by 1. blacklisting certain mechs and 2. making random mech weapons appear.
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Post by Cipher3 » #9246

3. Removing it
Spoiler:
Nathanael Greene has made a woman of Bryce Pax!

Valerie Sinnet says, "Nathaniel Greene charged the brig with a fucking HONK."

[Common] Assists-the-Crew hisses, "Walker Quinn s-s-s-ss-stole the HoP's-s-s-ss-s door"

OOC: HotelBravoLima: I literally can't be removed from power.


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You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that PR matters. ~MisterPerson

DEAD: Ichigo Momomiya says, "Coravin's just an ass."

Linus Johnson says, "Hey you know I got this game Skyrim last week"
Linus Johnson says, "I have a level 19 ranger and its so fun"
Weston Zadovsky says, "did he just"
Weston Zadovsky says, "fucking hell"

The emergency shuttle has been called. It will arrive in 10 minutes.
Nature of emergency:
Coravin, just Coravin.

Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Fucking get out."
Coravin Vattes asks, "Please?"
Beryl Nyuphoran says, "Please get the fuck outta my lab."
Coravin Vattes exclaims, "Okay!"
[Common] Beryl Nyuphoran {RD} asks, "WHO GAVE CORAVIN ALL ACCESS?"

Lindsay Donk stammers, "L-Luc-ck w-was-s-s s-s-such-h a beaut-tifu p-p-p-pr-r-rom-m q-q-q-queen"

Ty Andrews curls up in a ball on the floor and purrs.

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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by miggles » #9345

actually going for your objectives hardcore is a fucking waste of a wizard slot
there is so much potential for fun as a wizard and you spend your points on nothing but MM/jaunt/ei nath/etc? no gimmicks? boring
good luck giving me a wedgie all the way from frome CA, i actually like fun
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ColonicAcid » #9364

I like fun as well. But right now I wasn't talking about ~fun~. I was talking as a objective device it's not very good. Any wizard that is using it to achieve his goal /is/ dumb.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by paprika » #9368

I'm still waiting for rob to comment on what he plans to do with this before I do anything to it, he's got more coder prowess than me and could probably balance it, whereas I'd just outright remove it or take out the phazon/etc.
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Post by Remie Richards » #9395

paprika wrote:got more coder prowess than me
D'aww, Thanks!

Yeah seriously though, I'd remove Civillian Mechs which have little weaponry, remove the Phazon which is too "Antihuman" with it's Toxin/fire/brute punches,
Ensure each mech gets an "Anti mech" weapon (Mounted ion gun, or just one of the rocket pods), and give them all infinite battery so people don't camp around waiting for other's to run out of battery.

This ensures every mech granted has the ability to cause Chaos, the whole point of the "Summon X" series.
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Post by paprika » #9416

If you really do that wizards everywhere with their scyring orbs will cry tears of joy at the chaos. It'll also make it so people don't storm robo to recharge their mechs as well, making our friendly neighborhood robo mainers not cry themselves to sleep every time they hear 'wizard'.
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Post by miggles » #9479

ColonicAcid wrote:I like fun as well. But right now I wasn't talking about ~fun~. I was talking as a objective device it's not very good. Any wizard that is using it to achieve his goal /is/ dumb.
yeah but no wizard actually does summon X as their main way to attempt to win
you either have 5x summon guns funzards or 1x summon X and then the other 4 slots are something normal and they use the chaos to hide themselves
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Post by Remie Richards » #9578

https://github.com/NTStation/NTstation13/pull/645

Goof has implemented the Balance I suggested.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by paprika » #9582

>missile rack on the durand by default

bueno.
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Post by 420goslingboy69 » #9788

Can we just remove it? I'll say what I've been saying about mechs for years and years. They are slow and stun-proof. They are anti-ss13. The game is made about one shot stuns that completely stop a huge, fucking powerful guy. An assistant with a taser can stop a heavily armed Nuclear operative. That's the point of this game. The fact that anyone can stop anyone. Now, mechs are, for the most part, slow, which goes against the feeling of SS13. They also have no way to be stunned, which also goes against the feeling of ss13. Mechs don't sow chaos because they aren't huge fucking glass cannons like the crew are. They are slow, immobile, pieces of metal with huge guns attached to them. Despite the fact that mechs have huge fucking killing potential, you'll see most mech rounds to be much more quiet then a summon magic round or a summon guns round because of how slow they are and the power cell. The reason summon magic and summon guns works is because when you kill another player, you get their shit. You are continuously recycling what you have until you find the loadout you like (moreso with guns). Summon mechs is you get stuck with one good or bad mech and thats all you get. You'll never get a better one or a shittier one. It's fucking boring. There is zero progression.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by Incomptinence » #9836

No way to be stunned doesn't really matter if everyone and their mother gets a mech.
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Post by 420goslingboy69 » #9955

Incomptinence wrote:No way to be stunned doesn't really matter if everyone and their mother gets a mech.
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Re: Summon mechs is dumb

Post by ThoughtSynapsis » #10003

Though I don't have Napkins hatred of mechs, I do agree they tend not to be as chaotic, Which is the point of the spell in the first place. A crewmen in a mech would be far more concerned about keeping his Phazon alive then hunting either the crew or the wizard.
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