/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 3:44 am**

What words do you wish VOX had?

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 4:07 am**

Didn't I have a post about this? Yes, yes I did.

Psyentific wrote:Vox would be much nicer and probably much more used if it actually had decent word selection. At the very least, job roles, station areas, antag types, states (ex. safe, dead, bombed), important items (ex. antag objectives), important events (ex. shuttle, rogue, bombed), and conjunctions. If your word selection doesn't include basic functionality but does include assblast usa, it encourages a certain kind of use y'know. Give me stuff like this

"CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, CHANGELING, BRIDGE. SECURITY TO BRIDGE"
"TELECOMMS EXPLODED. NUCLEAR OPERATIVES ON STATION. ALL CREW TO ESCAPE"
"CULTISTS IN DORMS"
"MEDBAY BOMBED"

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 4:23 am**

Just generally more words relating to the station and not ass johnson abortion cock usa.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 4:41 am**

https://github.com/NTStation/NTstation13/pull/650
We inherited a bunch of words from VG that we didn't have before, too, and a lot of them are relevant to the station and shit.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 6:02 am**

Why can't the AI have both a male and female voice, it is a potential asexual actor after all.

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 6:10 am**

It needs more useful and common words, and less obscure words that are only used to annoy the crew.

Most of the time when I am writing up a Vox message, half the words that I use won't exist, and these are just basic words.

We have words like "abortion", yet we don't have words such as "attack" or "self".

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 1:02 pm**

I dont think we have "suit", "Sensors" or "please"...
So yah, look at the generic things AIs say and see what of those we dont have as VOX?

Posted: **Thu May 29, 2014 4:47 pm**

We have suit sensors definitely, but when I was AI one of my first times and I tried to VOX a full sentence telling crew to enable their suit sensors, it had errors with basic words, or one word just because I used it in a form with an -s on the end.

Posted: **Fri May 30, 2014 11:15 pm**

Do not put the name of antags anywhere in VOX.
Changeling, traitor, cultist, revolutionary, or anything of that nature is retarded. In Vox you're supposed to mix words that are synonyms of other words and that's what makes it fun.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:27 pm**

What, no rev, trator or cult? Thats silly.
I can see no changeling, but the others?

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:08 pm**

Why would the AI, which isn't supposed to be a validhunter, which isn't supposed to hunt antags, have name of antags. All the words it has are synonyms/slight difference of other words. It doesn't have nuke ops. It has operatives. It doesn't have traitor it has enemy agent. It doesn't have blob, it has uh i think containment breach or something like that. Saying traitor in Engineering just streamlines the process and cuts down on verbiage, which is lame as fuck.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:42 pm**

But just having synonyms is enough to validhunt since everyone knows what the AI means when it says there are operatives onboard with vox.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 10:38 pm**

Synonyms are better though IMO
Saying the actual name of the antags seems too meta for AI's, who are SUPPOSED to be neutral.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:13 pm**

Well not against blob, aliens, changelings and constructs. Silicon players like stompin' those.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:28 pm**

Neerti wrote:But just having synonyms is enough to validhunt since everyone knows what the AI means when it says there are operatives onboard with vox.

That's what makes it fun. AI can't say "Changeling in Engineering." It can say "Alien lifeform near Starboard station" (I do not know nautical). It sounds much more silicon.

Posted: **Mon Jun 02, 2014 11:57 pm**

420goslingboy69 wrote:
Neerti wrote:But just having synonyms is enough to validhunt since everyone knows what the AI means when it says there are operatives onboard with vox.
That's what makes it fun. AI can't say "Changeling in Engineering." It can say "Alien lifeform near Starboard station" (I do not know nautical). It sounds much more silicon.

I agree with this, except that the AI SHOULD be able to say "Engineering" or "Engineer". It should know all the common station areas and devices. "Syndicate" and such is acceptable, just do not give it words such as "Traitor" or "Changeling". Room names and NanoTrasen things it should know, though.

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:41 am**

Psyentific wrote:Didn't I have a post about this? Yes, yes I did.

Psyentific wrote:Vox would be much nicer and probably much more used if it actually had decent word selection. At the very least, job roles, station areas, antag types, states (ex. safe, dead, bombed), important items (ex. antag objectives), important events (ex. shuttle, rogue, bombed), and conjunctions. If your word selection doesn't include basic functionality but does include assblast usa, it encourages a certain kind of use y'know. Give me stuff like this

"CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, CHANGELING, BRIDGE. SECURITY TO BRIDGE"
"TELECOMMS EXPLODED. NUCLEAR OPERATIVES ON STATION. ALL CREW TO ESCAPE"
"CULTISTS IN DORMS"
"MEDBAY BOMBED"

If I cannot communicate basic-fucking-concepts using Vox, it's worthless.

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:43 am**

Psyentific wrote: I am not creative

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:17 pm**

Look, the word "traitor" has existed for how many hundreds of years allready?
Same with the word "Revolutionary", so why the fuck should they not be in?

I mean, fuck. If I am an AI and I see a scientist making top-teir science, I want to SCREAM out that "The science department has achieved revolutionary advancements in the field of [relivent science here]".

Stating that "alien near starboard section" rules out half the station, and thats it. It dosent say if its carp, lings, aliums, blob or even just a friggin microbe.

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:18 pm**

AseaHeru wrote:Look, the word "traitor" has existed for how many hundreds of years allready?
Same with the word "Revolutionary", so why the fuck should they not be in?

I mean, fuck. If I am an AI and I see a scientist making top-teir science, I want to SCREAM out that "The science department has achieved revolutionary advancements in the field of [relivent science here]".

None of these reasons are good arguments for it whatsoever as they have nothing to do with the AI or gameplay.

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:38 pm**

They explain why an AI would not have words used in historical documents like "revolutionary" or "traitor".

Posted: **Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:23 pm**

Except nobody will use those words except to meta. They have no meaning to SS13 players outside of names of antagonists because the use of those words as names for antagonists is much more common than using them for other reasons.

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:13 pm**

So... the issue is not with the words, its with people using the words to metagame?

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 12:14 pm**

"Treat the disease, not the symptom"

Problem is the cure is new policy and... yeahhhhhhhhh.

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:35 pm**

Are you honestly so traitor centric you are trying to tell me the AI is neutral to changelings and blobs?

That doesn't make thematic sense in the slightest or relate at all to how either of those have been played against.

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:07 pm**

Well, one could argue that the AI dosent know about the first and dosent really care about the second (Its a plant, or was that changed?), but that requires RP.
And yah, according to laws the AI dosent need to give a shit until they start fucking the station or the crew.

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:35 pm**

If you guys are arguing about antag names and objectives, don't. If you blacklist 'traitor', people will confangle some other word instead - I believe an AI once referred to nuke ops as "Abortions"

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:52 pm**

Psyentific wrote:If you guys are arguing about antag names and objectives, don't. If you blacklist 'traitor', people will confangle some other word instead - I believe an AI once referred to nuke ops as "Abortions"

I'm fine with this. "ABORTIONS. ARMORY."

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:34 pm**

The problem then becomes, how many people are going to read Vox.txt to find out what words they can actually say? Indirectly stating what you want is perfectly fine, but only if it's still using words you'd actually think to use.

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:52 pm**

psy, it tells you what words you have available if I recall correctly

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:02 pm**

There is a tab button that lets you look through every single VOX word in the game. I still don't see why we can't expand the AI's VOX vocabulary, not everything has to be intentionally handicapped. I mean, words like enemy, heist, caution, killing, pressure, nuclear or even bomb don't exsist!

Yet we have words such as cunt, bay, condom, abortion, adios or shitlord.

Come on, what's the difference if a AI says "Syndicate Operatives in Armoury" or "Nuclear Operatives in Armoury"?

Posted: **Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:49 pm**

AseaHeru wrote:So... the issue is not with the words, its with people using the words to metagame?

Fuck off. I have never said revolutionary once in this game to describe something that wasn't about the gamemode and no one ever will. Stop using fucking stupid arguments that have no basis and same goes to you Neerti. "It's the player's fault." No, it's fucking common sense. If you give words to the AI that they use all the fucking time that are metagaming antag knowledge, they will use them, because not all players pretend to not have full antag knowledge. In fact, I would say less then 50% do and that's on Artyom, which is the more roleplay-centric of the two(three) servers

Steelpoint wrote:There is a tab button that lets you look through every single VOX word in the game. I still don't see why we can't expand the AI's VOX vocabulary, not everything has to be intentionally handicapped. I mean, words like enemy, heist, caution, killing, pressure, nuclear or even bomb don't exsist!

Yet we have words such as cunt, bay, condom, abortion, adios or shitlord.

Come on, what's the difference if a AI says "Syndicate Operatives in Armoury" or "Nuclear Operatives in Armoury"?

The AI should never have the word Syndicate. That's the biggest word it should not have. It shouldn't have any antag names period, but it especially shouldn't have Syndicate.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:04 am**

It already has "syndicate" in its word list.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:30 am**

Steelpoint wrote:It already has "syndicate" in its word list.

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Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:08 am**

Hurr let's coddle the AI announcements only crewmembers are allowed to scream REVS, SYNDIES, etc.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:17 pm**

Besides, isint metagaming still punished to a degree?

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:17 pm**

I wish I had a reaction image for that.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:44 pm**

Seriously though, there's almost no rules or enforcement when it comes to metagaming, and I don't see anywhere it says exactly how much about Syndi items or anything anyone would know, like Bay does.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:01 pm**

Everyone knows about syndie-items.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:07 pm**

Except most of the top-tier players roleplay not having complete meta-knowledge. People should take hints from them.

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:22 pm**

Top-tier players in Napkin's mildly relevant opinion*

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:24 pm**

paprika wrote:Top-tier players in Napkin's mildly relevant opinion*

Oh, so your top-tier players are the ones who powergame and catch all the antags?

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:26 pm**

we code this game for the gameplay, keep that in mind

plus the valid point about "abortion operatives" is a good point

people will just replace the words if we don't add them anyways, so let's save the new players some time trying to figure out what the keyword for "traitor wizard" is and just give them "traitor wizard".

Posted: **Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:33 pm**

420goslingboy69 wrote:
paprika wrote:Top-tier players in Napkin's mildly relevant opinion*
Oh, so your top-tier players are the ones who powergame and catch all the antags?

Yes, irregardless of job, not incinerating antags for having a chameleon projector is worse than reading WGW in my honest, 5+ year, confirmed **scaredy approved** robust spaceman opinion

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