Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

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Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #13744

So OP remove. Mix it with plasma fire and no gravity and gg 95% of the station is now dead.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by miggles » #13772

could the people voting no please explain why youre voting no
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Neerti » #13775

>Complaining about something really easily countable by just carrying tools (IE every assistant ever)
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Cipher3 » #13777

To be fair, people accuse you of powergaming if you carry tools when you're not a role that uses tools all the time. IE, almost all heads.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #13778

Malfs are terrible, they need more bones thrown to them.

It is part of their job to kill you nice to know they are getting better at it.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #13780

Neerti wrote:>Complaining about something really easily countable by just carrying tools (IE every assistant ever)
>telling me I should powergame
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Steelpoint » #13783

To be fair, the ability does pretty much screw over anyone who is not a Engineer/Atmo Tech/Assistant. You need tools to open these doors and most people don't have quick access to tools, or the tools are in another room that is now shock-bolted.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Neerti » #13785

There's windows, tables, and other alternate ways in/out of places. You don't need tools to break a few windows.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #13787

Also anyone with a bin in their workplace can just be excreted into the mail room.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by paprika » #13789

NOT EVEN OP WTF I'M AN AVID AI PLAYER AND I FIND THIS COMPLETELY FINE AND NOT OVERPOWERED HER EARE THE MALF WINRATES:

AI WINNING: 2%
AI LOSING: 300%

SEE ADDING THIS IS SO FUCKING JUSTIFIED FUCK YOU AI HATERS
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Steelpoint » #13790

AI Win ratio is at 15% on Sybil and 40% on Artyom.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #13794

I was the HoS. This ability happened. The gravity went off. Everything was on fire. Singularity loose. We were stuck in maint because we disposaled ourselves. We could not leave. Just stuck forever. And we had to do powergaming shit to even leave disposals (rest and let someone throw you under the plastic flaps.)
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #13797

paprika wrote:NOT EVEN OP WTF I'M AN AVID AI PLAYER AND I FIND THIS COMPLETELY FINE AND NOT OVERPOWERED HER EARE THE MALF WINRATES:

AI WINNING: 2%
AI LOSING: 300%

SEE ADDING THIS IS SO FUCKING JUSTIFIED FUCK YOU AI HATERS
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by danno » #13798

I don't like the ability.
but holy god this thread is retarded.
all of you are being fucking retards (save napkin mostly i guess)
please stop being fucking retarded
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #13800

It is a malfunctioning AI not a punching bag.
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Post by danno » #13801

I said stop
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by paprika » #13833

I want antags to get good

If you don't like playing antag you can just not play antag, the cream of the crop will rise to the top and people will get better. Hand-holding antags with shit like parasting, parapen, and now this shit is just bad and allows any retard with less than a week of experience guaranteed kills. Malf AI should not be possible to win by someone who has less than a few months of AI experience, that's why the winrate is low, because people leave it ticked and get shit on. Not because of the abilities.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Skorvold » #13840

AI has been getting non-stop buffs, I don't know why people think it needs constant helping it's supposed to be an acquired taste job, not to be played by just anyone. In terms of MALF it's going down the cult path of being 2easy.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by miggles » #13856

Tool storage is usually barren during rounds with larger pops, too. And most of that isn't from people taking full sets of tools, it's from taking one or two things needed at the moment and not returning them. Only a few assistants will fill up their belts all the way. There really aren't as many tools as you would think.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #13863

paprika wrote:I want antags to get good

If you don't like playing antag you can just not play antag, the cream of the crop will rise to the top and people will get better. Hand-holding antags with shit like parasting, parapen, and now this shit is just bad and allows any retard with less than a week of experience guaranteed kills. Malf AI should not be possible to win by someone who has less than a few months of AI experience, that's why the winrate is low, because people leave it ticked and get shit on. Not because of the abilities.
I recall several people being forced to be malf despite preferences, I wonder if that is still happening.

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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by AseaHeru » #13915

I rather like this ability, makes people work to save eachother.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Munchlax » #13930

Do you even know what forum you are posting on.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by AseaHeru » #13947

Yes, Yes I do.
And although I admit it is not the fashion to help others, I still have hopes that the "roleplay" section of the game's definition will be used.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Skorvold » #13965

There is now way to tell if a door is shocked beyond touching it or having someone else touch it.

This needs a nerf, common AI players can't comprehend its difficulty as they silicon all day everyday. I rejected this idea from the start, and I'm not a huge fan of silicons but, the saving thing to MALF or tator AI is praying that a door isn't shocked, so much for that with this ridiculous button.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Neerti » #14110

How is that different from an AI shocking all the doors manually?
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by miggles » #14124

are you FUCKING SERIOUS?
it is quite literally 100% impossible for the AI to shock all the doors manually unless a borg goes to all the areas without cameras and shocks them itself
and regardless, shocking doors manually takes way more time than pressing an instant win button which shocks them all at once.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #14126

Is it an instant win though? Aren't the people it is most effective against often the least relevant? Even a guy toting thermite usually caries a welder. Bums security but their workplace is littered with windows and pretty much designed to be broken out of with ease.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Cipher3 » #14133

Incomptinence wrote:Aren't the people it is most effective against often the least relevant?
>Heads don't carry tools
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #14143

Neerti wrote:How is that different from an AI shocking all the doors manually?
literally retarded question
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Incomptinence » #14146

Cipher3 wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Aren't the people it is most effective against often the least relevant?
>Heads don't carry tools
>Captain's office is utterly R-wall surrounded
Head offices have bins in them, try mailing them a bomb sometime. Also all of them but the captain office and RD office can be broken out of with just brute force. Poor RD and his many tables The captain can teleport and the chief engineer does carry tools... I hope.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #14148

Incomptinence wrote:
Cipher3 wrote:
Incomptinence wrote:Aren't the people it is most effective against often the least relevant?
>Heads don't carry tools
>Captain's office is utterly R-wall surrounded
Head offices have bins in them,.
Oh boy, now I'm stuck in either A) the delivery room with no tools and I can't call for help because the AI turned off comms or B) now i'm in disposals because i was stuck in Delivery and had no tools and I can't call for help because the AI turned off the comms and now I'm stuck here too
so essentially, if you don't have tools, you are stuck!@!!!!!!@#$%^!^
Also, the HoS cannot leave the brig, because it puts down the blast doors and if no one is in the warden's office, you can't hit them off.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Neerti » #14169

The HoS carries an egun.

Also what's an intercom?
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Isane » #14199

How does a gun help against shocked doors again?

And that relies on people being near intercomms to hear you, and it doesn't do much given that they're most likely stuck somewhere as well.

Could you please stop playing devil's advocate?
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by imblyings » #14201

in what weird parallel universe are the heads of staff usually found in their offices.

because it is a fact that all the heads of staff usually spend more time running around outside their offices than even the HoP, who's job is to do things in their office.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Neerti » #14245

Eguns can destroy windows and grilles. If you wanted to be efficent you'd only use it on the grilles since the windows can be destroyed without harming yourself.

If you also have any kind of gloves, you can use the glass shard to destroy the grille without damage to yourself.

For intercoms, they say a picture says a thousand words... so I will show you this.
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It's a picture of the intercom hearing range on metastation. If you are inside the yellow area, you can hear intercoms. You can try this out yourself by running a local server and using the 'display intercom range' verb. You need to enable 'debug verbs' first in the debug tab. Also, the intercom range verb is actually false and it shows 7 hearing wide intercom range, the current is three tiles, the map reflects this.

Here's another picture showing ways to evacuate almost any room, a lot of them don't even require tools, and the ones that do often have tools inside.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by 420goslingboy69 » #14252

Neerti wrote:Eguns can destroy windows and grilles. If you wanted to be efficent you'd only use it on the grilles since the windows can be destroyed without harming yourself.
blast doors go down already said this neerti
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Cipher3 » #14258

I love how the AI upload in the escape diagram is just labeled "RIP"
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Skorvold » #14325

Good luck getting out of disposal maint as anyone but a cargo tech or assistant.

If you can't see the error in a button that BOLTS and SHOCKS all doors, then I'm genuinely concerned for your sense of balance or fairness.

Apparently playing Silicons too much has made you forget that you burn your eyes out while welding down walls, and that welding helmets and such substitutes are incredibly rare. Should the AI be MALF or rogue or whatever, the last place you'll be going is EVA. Not to mention you're completely neglecting the factor of being in a straight one tile wide maint hallway, which trust me, every Borg in existence will be patrolling and easily catching the victim because you can't run the fuck past Sec Borgs and it takes you a moment to open up each of Meta's doors.

Your routes highlighted are invalid, sorry, but without proper welding equipment my eyes are burned out by the fourth wall. The lucky few that do escape, if they have sense, aren't going to go immediately fuck with the armored and Engi-borg protected core of a the AI Sat, not to mention the pod will most likely be deconned. Any AI in their right mind has known to either deconn the tele or have a borg sit there and camp it up. On the odd case that someone knows the wires and manages to hack all the way through, they probably won't make it through the all too OP RCD'd floors that Engiborg players love so much.

Not to mention the only real way of stunning a borg at a distance is magic missile, otherwise I have to get up in their grill and flash them further risking my life. And don't even start with your intercom bullshit, in the event a fucking Sec Borg or otherwise is attempting to murder me, he's going to kill me quite far away from any intercom and with the AI flicking off telecoms.

The audacity that silicon players have to bitch about things being too hard blows me away, it might seem fun to you to be stuck in a small room with a raging inferno outside, unable to do jack all while the metal militia unbolts that door that I cut AI control too, and then manages to whoop my ass because the most easily accessible high brute damage weapon an assistant or otherwise has available is something that fucking heals it, and that the only method of stunning it is something that burns out in a few flashes.

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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Gun Hog » #14357

I have been tracking the feedback on this ability and the very poor result of the poll on this thread. While some of the comments were near unreadable, I was able to extract valuable information. So I leave it up to you players - I have proposed the following nerfs to the ability here (near the bottom of the PR):
https://github.com/NTStation/NTstation13/pull/721

You will notice that the PR is written as a deletion. If the nerfs outlined in the PR are unsatisfactory, and the community would prefer it gone totally, I will inform one of the maintainers to merge the PR as is. I apologize for the outrage and lack of proper balancing involved in this feature. It was not my intent for it to be THAT powerful. I focused too much towards optimal human counterplay, meaning that anyone without tools would indeed be trapped unless rescued by tool-equipped crew.
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by Gun Hog » #15371

It is now a nerf as given in this thread: http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=731
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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

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Re: Fucking bolt/shock all doors AI ability

Post by miggles » #15410

its not merged yet
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