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Zarniwoop wrote:Another goof fangirl desperate to blame anyone but poor widdle goof.

Actionb wrote:The github ToS basically reads like 'Dont be a dick'. What's there to argue about?

iksyp wrote:>goof was going against the tos so there should be no argument in his defense
the argument is against the tos not against goof's ban being valid or not wetods

Actionb wrote:The github ToS basically reads like 'Dont be a dick'. What's there to argue about?

here's a novel idea:
what if we just gave people the ability to administrate their own repositories, going so far as to even give them the ability to block them if they don't want them around
have the people self moderate their own stuff so we don't have to hire people to look through reported comments
oh wait github already did that so why do they have global rules telling you what you can't say

Cobby wrote:they weren't waiting for you to "slip up" lol they were responding to a report.

Actionb wrote:

leibniz wrote:... is part of the trend of corporations turning away from common sense and towards politics.
On one hand, the reality is that corporate censorship like this does help with good PR, one the other hand Code of Conducts are used for sniping people who disagree with your side.

This has nothing to do with politics or sniping. I can understand where you get this idea: getting banned for saying 'ATMs are retarded' feels random and unjustified unless somebody with ill will towards goof reported the post to github. But whether the ban was actually issued because somebody wanted goof gone or simply because goof was on github's watchlist and they decided 'He's not gonna learn' is besides the point. If you have gotten a slap on the wrist for bad conduct and you do not show any signs of improved behaviour, what do you expect is going to happen? If I kept showing up at your home to piss on your rug and you warned me not to do that anymore, you would just shoot me the next time I knocked on your door.

Github has every right to to remove content and users that violates their terms of service. They do not have to tolerate you. By signing up to github you are accepting these ToS. It's not censorship if you violate these super simple rules and get your shit wrecked as a result.
How unhinged do you have to be to post a goatse on a service that promotes professional behaviour and then complain about not being able to refer to that service as a proof of your professionalism.

leibniz wrote: In the end, our resident coder - who probably cant even order fries at McDonalds without getting the cops called on him - getting purged over one word is just another brief scene in the vivid tapestry that captures our society sailing further into the 21st century where people have increasingly less freedom and corporations have more.

Not trying to attack your point of view about social freedom here... but please don't play the victim card and make goof a martyr of social justice.

iamgoofball wrote:

Cobby wrote:they weren't waiting for you to "slip up" lol they were responding to a report.

good thing I haven't claimed otherwise???

Actionb wrote:

Actionb wrote:The github ToS basically reads like 'Dont be a dick'. What's there to argue about?

here's a novel idea:
what if we just gave people the ability to administrate their own repositories, going so far as to even give them the ability to block them if they don't want them around
have the people self moderate their own stuff so we don't have to hire people to look through reported comments
oh wait github already did that so why do they have global rules telling you what you can't say

Not quite sure if it's worthit to respond to that. You sign up to github to use their service (version control hosting). It's their turf you're dancing on. You can't then declare 'na bro, thanks, we do shit our way' and expect github to just take it. It's their fucking business, you are their customer. You don't go into a bar and start self serving your friends, do you?

BONERMASTER wrote:Mess with the cats, die like the rest.

Cobby wrote:

iamgoofball wrote:

Cobby wrote:they weren't waiting for you to "slip up" lol they were responding to a report.

good thing I haven't claimed otherwise???

You implied they were watching the repo, from my experience they're quite reactionary.

That said, our repo doesn't really interfere with the ToS or i'm sure we'd be shut down.

oranges wrote:github's moderation is noticeably socially justice flavoured.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

oranges wrote:github's moderation is noticeably socially justice flavoured.

So is TGstation's. The script team is absolutely filled with it too. Don't cry when the focus turns in the direction of one of your own.

somerandomguy wrote: blocked from using service = good
erased from history 1984-style = bad
It doesn't even say "banned" or "deleted" it just shows a 404
This includes all PRs and issues made by the banned account

iksyp wrote: no but if that bar tells me i can't swear with my friends because of another group across the bar thinks we're too vulgar I'm going to criticize it

oranges wrote: we should move to a self hosted gitlab honestly

actionb wrote:snip

oranges wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Mess with the cats, die like the rest.

t. man who was upset about poll fixing

CosmicScientist wrote:

Stickymayhem wrote:lmao imagine being born in the year 2000 lol this motherfucker is younger than spongebob fucking squarepants

Imagine being able to watch telly after all the good cartoons had either been ruined or replaced with inferior cheap animation.

I guess at least it took a little bit longer for the cheap ones to not be cancelled after three months of pretending there's a meta plot.

Actionb wrote:

iksyp wrote: no but if that bar tells me i can't swear with my friends because of another group across the bar thinks we're too vulgar I'm going to criticize it

Okay, come back when you're grown up.

BONERMASTER wrote:

oranges wrote:

BONERMASTER wrote:Mess with the cats, die like the rest.

t. man who was upset about poll fixing

t. man that was upset enough to actually fix a poll.

I've also been thinking long and hard about your avatar situation. I came up with a new design, it's really cool and you should use it

UltimateGamer21 wrote:As usual the East surpasses the barbaric west

CosmicScientist wrote: horrid anime faces.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:Today America ``creates'' by scavenging the art of a nation whose cultural consciousness isn't bogged down by censorship and limitations on freedom of thought and expression.

CosmicScientist wrote:Not a very good one if it's espousing the far east as a source of originality. For example I can't think of a single Asterix animated film that looks the same as another but it takes until South Korean cartoons that I can't say see one Chinese cartoon, seen 'em all.

Stickymayhem wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote:

Stickymayhem wrote:lmao imagine being born in the year 2000 lol this motherfucker is younger than SpongeBob fucking squarepants

Imagine being able to watch telly after all the good cartoons had either been ruined or replaced with inferior cheap animation.

I guess at least it took a little bit longer for the cheap ones to not be canceled after three months of pretending there's a meta plot.

Yeah there was a real shitty decade between 2000 and 2010 where all the cartoons got worse until shit like adventure time and gravity falls popped up

CosmicScientist wrote: Sometimes it's excessively showy or over exaggerated, sometimes it's just they didn't even bother to animate the mouth, let alone the rest of the scene. Often it's as though they all have a cheat sheet of expressions whilst using the same head profile, the only difference between studios is if they chose to draw the mouths like flatfish or split the face in half with pulled back lips.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:Experimental passion-filled creative works hacked together for $20,000 are vastly more interesting than lumbering soulless $100,000,000 derivative films that must turn a profit at all costs. Not even Americans like American art anymore.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:And there sure are a lot of Americans who love to yell from their motorized carts that beauty is unrealistic.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

CosmicScientist wrote: horrid anime faces.

Anime faces are definitely better. With the highly stylized ones it might be the case that you need to have consumed a lot of less stylized anime to appreciate them.
I see that in a lot of franchises with a large American consumer base (which is, naturally, less exposed to anime) they draw less stylized faces. Examples are Nier and Persona.

There is also the crowd that recognizes that anime is beautiful but thinks it's immoral because sexual gratification is evil, so say the priests raping altar boys. And there sure are a lot of Americans who love to yell from their motorized carts that beauty is unrealistic.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

UltimateGamer21 wrote:As usual the East surpasses the barbaric west

It's been like this for a while in art. Once the slant eyes got oil paints it was curtains for the west.
Today America ``creates'' by scavenging the art of a nation whose cultural consciousness isn't bogged down by censorship and limitations on freedom of thought and expression. Reminds you of China, doesn't it?
https://streamable.com/yo3yo

CosmicScientist wrote:

UltimateGamer21 wrote:Uh oh someone only watches weekly seasonal garbage produced for pennies on the dollar and thinks it's wholly representative of the careful and delicate artform of animé.

lol you think I watch something I criticise offhand with no respect? My friends watch the most highly praised series and osmosis brings it to me in snippets, stills, memes and fanart.

Every British game dev you will find a game of is a mixture of lazy, pretentious, unfinished and janky, see Sir, You are being Hunted, Prison Architect, Thomas was Alone and generally just look for a list of British game devs on wikipedia, it's been two years since I last checked but I doubt their collective exploits have improved. Does that wholly represent British game devving? No, but it does represent it.

So either give me some examples or move the goalposts until the weekly seasonal garbage can't be classed as Chinese cartoons and all of its pornography all of it doesn't have massive honkers that can hold a person inside each, anime orgasm face, a child doing the voice acting, horny nosebleed memes and arbitrary black bars as though the artist can only draw half of genitalia but doesn't want their boss to notice. Might as well be serious for a moment and point to what afelinid said with censorship and ask about the black bars in Japan and the skeletons in China with how that surpasses artistic censorship compared to everywhere but the far east.

CosmicScientist wrote:Shiiiiit how did I forget about El Tigre
[youtube]IPewrBjNVVI[/youtube]
>young lad
>father's a good guy
>grandfather's a bad guy
>mexican skulls
>mexican trumpets
>obvious furry preadolescent recruitment
It ticks all the boxes of fun. I wonder why I never saw much of it.

also
>saw Roboboy instead of Mlaatr
Did I miss out? Because Roboboy taught me about what happens when the plot is shout "Roboboy!" and roboboy saves the blond kid whilst the ginger kid is fat, ha ha ha, so exciting.

CosmicScientist wrote:Okay I was with you until adventure time and gravity falls.

Maybe I lost my inner child when a teenager but adventure time was a meme, srsly that ice king backstory sequence was a big dumb here's a wow so deep moment in a children's cartoon, and gravity falls fell into the pretending there's a meta plot trap.
>oh we have a book
>and our intro is about weird stuff happening and the book
>naaaah let's just go do boring shit instead
Dropped off it like a rock despite watching it with a mate, and nothing is boring when with a mate. Though this was around the time I was still watching MLP. But that had coherence, a meta plot that wasn't the advertised plot and have too much variance on power levels or stakes. And I liked Ed, Edd n Eddy but I don't know how to say why I'd prefer that over Adventure Time without resorting to the art style wasn't cheap and I liked the characters more probably because they were dysfunctionally abrasive, often times wrong and hilariously slapstick when punished even when they didn't deserve it.

Did they actually look at the book by season two or were they doing meme shizz similar to that LSD cartoon with the blue jay and raccoon?


Frak now I'm remembering that weird 3D animated thing with a guy named Wasabi as the villain... who owned the megamall everyone lived in... quite a corporate dystopia. And then there was a weird leatherpunk/scrappunk biplane 3D animation that I think came after something similar but with cars... neither of which had a plot where things happened despite having that as their premise. Then there was a racing one with... I don't know, I just remember it airing for barely any time at all before the plug was pulled and I saw one episode with a robot racer staring up at rocks falling from the ceiling whilst saying "So many possibilities" before being crushed by a rock. And the many iterations of Scooby Doo happened too... and now I sort of wish Wacky Races got a reboot but not because whilst the pilot had a voice actor I recognised, it was mostly here are some unfunny characters saying they're going to do the stupid thing, then we get to see the stupid thing, then we get to see them doing the stupid thing, then they say oh no I did the stupid thing and then that's the joke heyuck heyuck.

BeeSting12 wrote:i think regular show's pretty good, or at least it was back when i watched it regularly (see what i did there) a few years ago.

Stickymayhem wrote:it just didn't have any message or artistic value