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PKPenguin321 wrote: My guess to actually answer the question is that ultimately oranges decides what goes in and out of the game, and to him adding a new race requires another to be removed first, so it is a compromise in that sense. I'm aware that realistically they can both exist at the same time but I just don't think oranges would allow it.

the OP that I've asked oranges and friends to answer approx. 30 times now wrote:If this is a congestion issue, why is it that felinids (the most popular nonhuman race) would be removed to make room when you could instead remove, for instance, flypeople?

oranges wrote:why, just let people vent their anger and frustrations, it's not harmful and it's better than trying to bottle it up for the sake of what? forced civility?

Wow. This entire thread oranges made themselves distant so they could let people vent.

What a hero

confused rock wrote:Ughh, fucking maintainers, making decisions about what is right for the game based on past experience instead of based on what some month old guy who doesn't use the forums says in OOC. What do they think they are, controllers of the code?

I dunno what this OOC tangent you're on has to do with this discussion here on the forums. The coders' experience and knowledge should be trusted. Running a funky poll based on what oranges wants while pretending it's about what the community wants isn't a great way to maintain trust. It's becoming less and less about catpeople and more about that the more y'all shitpost in response.

We haven't even announced what we plan to do yet.

oranges wrote:We haven't even announced what we plan to do yet.

You plan to do it based on the results of a poll that you rigged, be it through negligence or purposefully.
Why should anyone be content with it?
And instead of PKP being your whipping boy, could you answer the OP for yourself? Why did you do the poll as you did it?

well like they said, a catgirl dunked me one time, so I had to create this vast conspiracy where I waited to become headcoder, manipulated the headadmins into signing off on this poll that I rigged with filters and bribes and then executed the vote according to my will, so that finally, finally, I could have my revenge.

oranges wrote:well like they said, a catgirl dunked me one time, so I had to create this vast conspiracy where I waited to become headcoder, manipulated the headadmins into signing off on this poll that I rigged with filters and bribes and then executed the vote according to my will, so that finally, finally, I could have my revenge.

This is what happens every single time someone gives you difficult questions, you try to make a joke out of it to avoid the pressure.
You really are not fit to be the head coder if this is the level of pressure and accountability that makes you shut down.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

oranges wrote:We haven't even announced what we plan to do yet.

You plan to do it based on the results of a poll that you rigged, be it through negligence or purposefully.
Why should anyone be content with it?
And instead of PKP being your whipping boy, could you answer the OP for yourself? Why did you do the poll as you did it?

Use your original account coward

that doens't make any sense cosmic, you can let people vent in general, the existence of moderators doesn't preclude that.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

oranges wrote:well like they said, a catgirl dunked me one time, so I had to create this vast conspiracy where I waited to become headcoder, manipulated the headadmins into signing off on this poll that I rigged with filters and bribes and then executed the vote according to my will, so that finally, finally, I could have my revenge.

This is what happens every single time someone gives you difficult questions, you try to make a joke out of it to avoid the pressure.
You really are not fit to be the head coder if this is the level of pressure and accountability that makes you shut down.

I'm actually shaking right now, can you please stop asking such hostile questions? I didn't come to be the head maintainer so I could be yelled at by a bunch of mean people. Stop!

if not for filters catgirls would've lost the first vote lmao
maybe people from hippie joined here to vote no to catgirls but I wonder which server has the kind of person to create an alt account and spam OOC on a server they don't play to lie to convince people to vote for catgirls

confused rock wrote: maybe people from hippie joined here to vote no to catgirls but I wonder which server has the kind of person to create an alt account and spam OOC on a server they don't play to lie to convince people to vote for catgirls

I play on TG every day, what are you talking about?

Why are oranges & friends unable to answer the questions in the OP and continue to bring it back to me, the concept of an IRV poll (???), etc.?
Just answer the questions if you didn't do anything wrong. Your intentions are becoming obvious by how you evade them.

I already answered and you said I was trying to make a joke out of it

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

confused rock wrote: maybe people from hippie joined here to vote no to catgirls but I wonder which server has the kind of person to create an alt account and spam OOC on a server they don't play to lie to convince people to vote for catgirls

I play on TG every day, what are you talking about?

Why are oranges & friends unable to answer the questions in the OP and continue to bring it back to me, the concept of an IRV poll (???), etc.?
Just answer the questions if you didn't do anything wrong. Your intentions are becoming obvious by how you evade them.

your account is so fucking new and specifically named after felinids. You can't tell me the first thing you did upon discovering ss13 is think "hmmm, I think this server looks good, better look at its politics first. oh, I better sway people's opinions on this matter I know nothing about"
Why can't you just use your real account?

oranges wrote:I already answered and you said I was trying to make a joke out of it

You are doubling down now, and that's okay. I understand. You would look ridiculous if you tried to genuinely answer.

confused rock wrote:

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

confused rock wrote: maybe people from hippie joined here to vote no to catgirls but I wonder which server has the kind of person to create an alt account and spam OOC on a server they don't play to lie to convince people to vote for catgirls

I play on TG every day, what are you talking about?

Why are oranges & friends unable to answer the questions in the OP and continue to bring it back to me, the concept of an IRV poll (???), etc.?
Just answer the questions if you didn't do anything wrong. Your intentions are becoming obvious by how you evade them.

your account is so fucking new and specifically named after felinids. You can't tell me the first thing you did upon discovering ss13 is think "hmmm, I think this server looks good, better look at its politics first. oh, I better sway people's opinions on this matter I know nothing about"
Why can't you just use your real account?

If you had read my previous posts in this thread you would see that I'm not new to SS13, but I'm also not an alt.
Again: this thread is not about me, and if I was an alt sockpuppet Russian shill made to destabilize TGstation, it would not change the fact that I'm exactly right.

/tg/station

oranges wrote:/tg/station

I've always seen it branded as TGstation because it's no longer associated with the board

if he he aint an alt then what's his previous account

actually I don't even care since nothing will change anything at this point, I love to argue with walls but it's kind of pointless when it's over already. tg has plenty of problems outside of catgirls, and the focus on it just distracts from all the things we could be talking about, like multiz and the 2 still extremely new gamemodes and how slow movespeed is.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

angelstarri wrote:

oranges wrote:Just become headcoder, it'll only take you 3-4 years of work ethic.

me so edgy xd

did you get dumpstered by a catgirl on the one day you choose to play out of 365 so hard that you actually have to remove them to get some semblance of revenge on them and have to come up with all sorts of filters and bribes to get your way after losing the first poll

you're actually pathetic lmao

You're a braindead fucking moron, the filters are made so that hippie raiders who come here to REMOVE CATGRIL LOL and don't actually play here don't have their votes counted. If you want cats the filters actually HELP you, but you're so upset and unstable over the prospect of potentially losing the vote that you're lashing out at anything and everything. Feel free to reply to this post so I can laugh at you.

ah yes the oranges internet defense force lawyer has arrived

Regarding filters, they are 100% accurate because it's impossible for a ME HIPPIE LMAO player to have played one round before the poll only to log in and vote negatively, right? Wow, super effective and amazing filter! Definitely only us /tg/station people voting, guys! 98 votes were discarded on the remove side and those were only the filtered votes, who says there weren't epic hippie players who got a vote in? Especially since those epic hippie gamers already would've logged in at the time of the first poll to attempt to vote negatively. Guess when that would've been? 30 days leading to the second election, which would put some of them or at least the ones who played a round in already into the voting pool.

The point that we've been trying to make this entire time that hasn't been able to go through your thick head (because me admin me always right, that's why we always lock the threads after we post and delete posts covering them as "shitposts") is that there is no reason that the "compromises" (AKA bribes) should exist in the current poll given that they did NOT exist previously even when the subject of adding ethereals and IPCs wwere already brought up on the table before the first poll was even started/completed.

The argument that has been made about needing space for "roundstart" races has already been driven to the ground and disproven entirely because, as you even said, "I'm aware that realistically they can both exist at the same time but I just don't think oranges would allow it." Not to mention that as previously stated there are far less played popular races and there have previously been more roundstart races than we have right now (see the Halloween event). This is not a question of maintainability or legacy race support, this is just plain and simple targeted bullying.

Funny how you defend filters for oranges so much despite the fact that when MSO posted the reversing ruling on filters he was the first one to attack the post and demand and answer, then hushed down when the corrected math and poll code were posted, then decided to call the vote null using the faulty filter as an excuse. Just because you have to recount votes doesn't mean the votes that are there aren't valid, I'll give you that little info for free.

Is oranges ever gonna talk about his reasonings to remove the catgirls or are you gonna keep being his internet lawyer? I know that he's too edgy to answer or take anything seriously which is why he is spending his life coding for an engine made in 1998, but you could at least let him try.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, I told him to reply and he actually did it the absolute madman

didnt read btw

you're just upset that I don't and never will have to answer to you, or your sockpuppet friends.

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

oranges wrote:We haven't even announced what we plan to do yet.

You plan to do it based on the results of a poll that you rigged, be it through negligence or purposefully.
Why should anyone be content with it?
And instead of PKP being your whipping boy, could you answer the OP for yourself? Why did you do the poll as you did it?

havent spoken with oranges at all, what ive posted are my own thoughts

CosmicScientist wrote:

oranges wrote:why, just let people vent their anger and frustrations, it's not harmful and it's better than trying to bottle it up for the sake of what? forced civility?

stale meme

If there was no forced civility, PKP wouldn't be a moderator.

i'll step in if the drama in here seeps out to other threads but one thread is fine

oranges wrote:manipulated the headadmins into signing off on this poll that I rigged

I guess this is the closest thing we're going to get to an answer for what you did, that "It was the headmins' fault for agreeing to it"
You wrote the poll options, isn't that right? PKP said that himself and he's defending you. You made the poll. Why did you make a poll that is slanted toward removal of catgirls? It isn't the headmins that made you do that. This is really not a difficult or mean question I'm asking, but it's the one you absolutely refuse to answer.

I guess I'm just smarter than them

oranges wrote:I guess I'm just smarter than them

I guess you are smarter than the players, too? Did you think they would not notice that the vote is rigged? It's the first thing everyone said when it went live on the server.
I'm not going to give you the benefit of the doubt if you refuse to answer anything. I think it's pretty obvious why you did it this way. You thought the illusion of democracy would prevent the backlash that would result from just straight-up removing catgirls because you personally don't like them being in a game you do not play.

oranges wrote:you're just upset that I don't and never will have to answer to you, or your sockpuppet friends.

epic dude! i got an idea for your next poll! it even uses IRV!

what name should the server be renamed to?

1. orangestation
2. orangestation but with a capital O at the beginning
3. orangestation but with all capital Os
4. orangestation but with a capital O and S
5. keep the name

PKPPenguin321 wrote:didn't read btw

i know you didn't, your brain is too little to understand any sort of counter argument. i guess that's what you and oranges have in common, aside from never playing in any of the servers and conveniently skipping on answering challenging questions!

PKPenguin321 wrote:

afelinidisfinetoo wrote:

oranges wrote:We haven't even announced what we plan to do yet.

You plan to do it based on the results of a poll that you rigged, be it through negligence or purposefully.
Why should anyone be content with it?
And instead of PKP being your whipping boy, could you answer the OP for yourself? Why did you do the poll as you did it?

havent spoken with oranges at all, what ive posted are my own thoughts

CosmicScientist wrote:

oranges wrote:why, just let people vent their anger and frustrations, it's not harmful and it's better than trying to bottle it up for the sake of what? forced civility?

stale meme

If there was no forced civility, PKP wouldn't be a moderator.

i'll step in if the drama in here seeps out to other threads but one thread is fine

can you step in when the drama seeps into ooc on bagil. It's quite nonstop arguing whenever felind makes there position loud and proud

angelstarri wrote:

oranges wrote:you're just upset that I don't and never will have to answer to you, or your sockpuppet friends.

epic dude! i got an idea for your next poll! it even uses IRV!

what name should the server be renamed to?

1. orangestation
2. orangestation but with a capital O at the beginning
3. orangestation but with all capital Os
4. orangestation but with a capital O and S
5. keep the name

PKPPenguin321 wrote:didn't read btw

i know you didn't, your brain is too little to understand any sort of counter argument. i guess that's what you and oranges have in common, aside from never playing in any of the servers and conveniently skipping on answering challenging questions!

[img]https://image.ibb.co/iZ9R8V/Screenshot-2018-11-10-at-9-45-21-PM.png[/img]

angelstarri wrote:i know you didn't, your brain is too little to understand any sort of counter argument.

What is this supposed to mean?

Qbmax32 wrote: [img]https://image.ibb.co/iZ9R8V/Screenshot-2018-11-10-at-9-45-21-PM.png[/img]

You joined a year ago so you're correct, I guess?
I haven't seen join date elitism since GameFAQs was popular

https://delete_account.com

oranges wrote:https://delete_account.com

click it, it'll help you

[youtube]MFTh8pjtQYY[/youtube]

Qbmax32 wrote:[youtube]MFTh8pjtQYY[/youtube]

imagine using your time making a custom video that no one is going to click on to insult someone



i don't even play as a catgirl btw but not like you could know that since you have 0 hours of playtime

I clicked it

angelstarri wrote: imagine using your time making a custom video that no one is going to click on to insult someone



i don't even play as a catgirl btw but not like you could know that since you have 0 hours of playtime

dude calm down

1 like on video = 1 dead catgirl


1 dislike on video = 1 dead human

Oranges, could you explain why you have abandoned the pretense of a fair vote and are now playing the "I am the head coder, I say felinids go, there are too many races" card?

What was the point of the vote, then? Did you just hope that you could get your way without showing your true nature?

Like I said dude, it was because a catgirl dumped me once and I'm mastering and epic revenge plan by manipulating the entire community and the headadmins into carrying out my will

[img]https://image.ibb.co/moOEvA/Screenshot-2018-11-10-at-10-17-26-PM.png[/img]

its oranges stop saying Oranges or ill fucking click the button dont test me

oranges wrote:Like I said dude, it was because a catgirl dumped me once and I'm mastering and epic revenge plan by manipulating the entire community and the headadmins into carrying out my will

me oranges me head maintainer for 1998 game me not code anything or close issues down me kinda big deal

your attitude is complete garbage and is the reason why no one is personally motivated to get involved in the codebase

that's pretty harsh on the 539 contributors and 30 or so people with open pr's

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[img]https://image.ibb.co/b7nw8V/Screenshot-2018-11-10-at-10-22-21-PM.png[/img]

[img]https://image.ibb.co/feaG8V/omegalul.png[/img]

oranges wrote:that's pretty harsh on the 539 contributors and 30 or so people with open pr's

oranges why do you suffer so. You could drop all of this and dab on the haters. Yet you keep egging them on, giving them the false hope of prevalation.

Being honest, if a headadmin felt like oranges was rigging this thing. They'd of commented in this thread already

They haven't

what are we still arguing for

I love salt

yikes