/tg/Station 13

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Is it worth pointing out that roleplay consistent with the setting doesn't have to mean restricted knowledge? Restricted knowledge can be one of the shittiest parts of RP (I can't worry about the flashing and thuds until it's too late, the cult is peaceful I'm sure, hur hur) but it's not necessary.

I think people are mostly talking about more engagement in conversation, willingness to go along with others, friendliness, sportsmanship, all that sort of stuff.

Cheimon wrote:Is it worth pointing out that roleplay consistent with the setting doesn't have to mean restricted knowledge? Restricted knowledge can be one of the shittiest parts of RP (I can't worry about the flashing and thuds until it's too late, the cult is peaceful I'm sure, hur hur) but it's not necessary.

I think people are mostly talking about more engagement in conversation, willingness to go along with others, friendliness, sportsmanship, all that sort of stuff.

Exactly. Validhunting is itself a form of RP. It's just a shitty form that few people like.

today i was bwoiped by an admin because a guy shoved me down and dragged me to the front of an escape pod during a very chaotic and hectic round and started screaming cunt so I beat him up and spaced his body. apparently when attacked by a screaming lunatic I should just let him do whatever he wants because otherwise it's G R I E F I N G. Fuck my character having any agency and trying to survive, am i right?

I once had a round where every head played along with an obvious traitor who was pretending to be the Central Command disk inspector.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:today i was bwoiped by an admin because a guy shoved me down and dragged me to the front of an escape pod during a very chaotic and hectic round and started screaming cunt so I beat him up and spaced his body. apparently when attacked by a screaming lunatic I should just let him do whatever he wants because otherwise it's G R I E F I N G. Fuck my character having any agency and trying to survive, am i right?

Why did you have to space them though? That is griefing. It's improper escalation.

DaemonBomb wrote:

Super Aggro Crag wrote:today i was bwoiped by an admin because a guy shoved me down and dragged me to the front of an escape pod during a very chaotic and hectic round and started screaming cunt so I beat him up and spaced his body. apparently when attacked by a screaming lunatic I should just let him do whatever he wants because otherwise it's G R I E F I N G. Fuck my character having any agency and trying to survive, am i right?

Why did you have to space them though? That is griefing. It's improper escalation.

He was a dead corpse of a man who tried to space me. That's perfectly reciprocal. I was just better at it.

Roleplay consistent with the setting doesn't have to mean restricted knowledge but without restricting knowledge, more attempts at a dictionary definition of RP will get very silly and cause lots of accusations of powergaming fast, without heavy doses of sportmanship to moderate it.

Well you weren't banned for it SAC and the note didn't mention poor escalation either. Admins just have to bwoink people to find out what happened.

ah i see thank you

Raven776 wrote:I once had a round where every head played along with an obvious traitor who was pretending to be the Central Command disk inspector.

We once had a round where I, as the Head of Personnel, showed a "Centcom official" around the station, encountering shenanigans along the way.

It was a traitor out for the captain's spare jumpsuit, and by jove, he got it. But he spoke, we roleplayed, every interaction we had with people was fun... it was a great time.

There's another thing that's bugging me. People in this thread are seriously, with all earnestness, arguing that shouting "HELP!" isn't roleplay. That roleplaying a character who is in mortal danger involves just smiling and nodding and accepting whatever happens to them like a stoic lobotomized vegetable so that the antag can get their kill without interference. That's just fucking bullshit, and if you disagree, I invite you to encounter a shooter or any other form of danger in real life and see how you react.

tl;dr: the word "RP" has become as much of a meme as "powergaming" or "metagaming," in that people stretch the term to suit whatever it is they don't like.

shouting help is perfectly valid, what the heck are you talking about bandito?

I mean it's not like we're specifically allowed to know everything about every antagonist that may ever attack the station or anything.

Zilenan91 wrote:I mean it's not like we're specifically allowed to know everything about every antagonist that may ever attack the station or anything.

Oddly enough, once upon a time, we weren't supposed to.

No, I am specifically referring to shit like:

Hell I sometimes try to RP in that situation if it's a stunprod into an armblade or something where I just go ";Gah!" or something to do with the situation that isn't just ";help Griff Murderbone dorms killing me"

Or from another thread:

When people say "Darn" when I pull a revolver on them instead of ";HALP"

Again, I invite you to have a gun pulled on you and see what your reaction is. Then ask yourself: "how would the average worker on a space station, who is not MANLY MCROBUST AIN'T SCARED OF NUFFIN," react?

bandit wrote:Again, I invite you to have a gun pulled on you and see what your reaction is. Then ask yourself: "how would the average worker on a space station, who is not MANLY MCROBUST AIN'T SCARED OF NUFFIN," react?

"OH GOD! PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! I HAVE A WIFE AND KIDS BACK HOME!"

TheNightingale wrote:

bandit wrote:Again, I invite you to have a gun pulled on you and see what your reaction is. Then ask yourself: "how would the average worker on a space station, who is not MANLY MCROBUST AIN'T SCARED OF NUFFIN," react?

"OH GOD! PLEASE DON'T KILL ME! I HAVE A WIFE AND KIDS BACK HOME!"

That's definitely a reasonable response.

But I would say that "average" on Space Station 13 is going to be different from our normal standards. Cloning technology is a thing (with no fixed canon on how widespread it is), so death is less permanent (which has got to be huge). Most crew seem to have a basic grounding in self defence (disarm skills in particular, you can't just flail at someone and expect them to drop what they're holding). Also, these are people who have volunteered (probably - nanotrasen is a company and not some fascist state, though again no fixed canon on how harsh they are) to go on a cutting edge space station quite a while from help which is a regular target for all sorts of enemies. The gun's not going to come as a complete surprise.

Plus, since the syndicate are notoriously poor shots, you're probably better off running. It's not as though they can train the gun on you and then pull the trigger if you move a muscle. Hell, if you run fast enough you can probably get them to miss and make good your escape.

I'm not asking for well thought out and detailed RP, just less mute assistants making stun prods round start so they can immediately valid anything they hear over comms.

if i wanted to play real life job simulator I'd go to work

bandit wrote:Again, I invite you to have a gun pulled on you and see what your reaction is. Then ask yourself: "how would the average worker on a space station, who is not MANLY MCROBUST AIN'T SCARED OF NUFFIN," react?

"i got scanned in the autocloner and have already died three times today, pull the trigger faggot i dare you"

I'd take my already bloodied fire extinguisher out and beat him to death

The validhunting life chose me