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DemonFiren wrote: >slide out heads

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Implement children when?

Amusingly, not far off.

Update:
Gases spread between Zs now.
Next will be pipes + wires.
Then explosions (because it's like 2 lines).

And then I'll push an initial PR.
Timescale is probably for the end of the weekend.

Yay.
Are plasma fires going to spread through Z levels?

They should only spread upwards.

Also could this be used to go under the station? Nuke ops breaching from below, jetpacking up through the floor to messup the crew would be funny if balance destroying

Jazaen wrote:Yay.
Are plasma fires going to spread through Z levels?

Yes, they should already, but if not it's only a one line change iirc.

Reece wrote:They should only spread upwards.

Smoke would only go up, I'm sure blazing infernos would go wherever there's flammable gases, so it'll spread both ways

Reece wrote: Also could this be used to go under the station? Nuke ops breaching from below, jetpacking up through the floor to messup the crew would be funny if balance destroying

Yes, if someone makes a map that supports that.

>There's been an entire lower and upper maintinence that nobody, absolutely nobody has touched in all the years of SS13
>What horrifying things must lurk there

Fund this

Remie Richards wrote: Yes, if someone makes a map that supports that.

What a coincidence

ShadowDimentio wrote:>There's been an entire lower and upper maintinence that nobody, absolutely nobody has touched in all the years of SS13
>What horrifying things must lurk there

Fund this

well the map proposed atm (by Rico) is mostly box, but multi-z.
You'd definitely spot that command is suddenly an entire floor up

But yeah.

Multiple Z-levels really helps add to the whole "spacestation" feel that you get in some games.

There should be a heavily toxic and acidic gas that always flows down and never up

I don't know about acidic, but what the fuck is carbon dioxide?

> Be chasing tator tot down hallway.
> He jumps down a level.
> Toss a can of opened plasmaafter him.
> Drop lighter down there.
> Stay toasty scumbag.

Convection.

DemonFiren wrote:Convection.

Not a problem, plasma can be solid at room temp,should be a heavier than air gas.

I always thought that plasma gas was not actually a gas but rather a kind of plasma smoke; solid plasma particles suspended in the air.

Ricotez wrote:I always thought that plasma gas was not actually a gas but rather a kind of plasma smoke; solid plasma particles suspended in the air.

Incidentally I was just thinking the same thing, and how I might give a hand at coding plasma to 'settle' if not disturbed into a powder on the floor. But then realised that would fuck atmos, the new engine and bomb making something chronic.

Re-work atmos to be aerosolised chems when?

Anonmare wrote:Re-work atmos to be aerosolised chems when?

I've tried this

Reece wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:Convection.

Not a problem, plasma can be solid at room temp,should be a heavier than air gas.

I was specifically referring to convective heat transfer.

DemonFiren wrote:

Reece wrote:

DemonFiren wrote:Convection.

Not a problem, plasma can be solid at room temp,should be a heavier than air gas.

I was specifically referring to convective heat transfer.

I don't have to take this racist abuse from you!

Pipes suck, might have to skip them for the first PR and defer to MSO or some other atmos wizard to bang their head against a wall for a few hours instead of mine.
Weird side note: the ancient "zvent" object... well it works, technically, it'll transfer gases between floors, though it does it in huge chunks, can't be built and has no on/off!
but it works! people (including myself) have done a p.decent job of hauling some ancient unused shitcode along to the point where it still works modern day, that's not too shabby.

Remie Richards wrote:Pipes suck, might have to skip them for the first PR and defer to MSO or some other atmos wizard to bang their head against a wall for a few hours instead of mine.
Weird side note: the ancient "zvent" object... well it works, technically, it'll transfer gases between floors, though it does it in huge chunks, can't be built and has no on/off!
but it works! people (including myself) have done a p.decent job of hauling some ancient unused shitcode along to the point where it still works modern day, that's not too shabby.

That's great to hear Remie.
I look forward to trying out multi-zlevels. I appreciate the porting; very few codesplits have this kind of feature. It'll be the first for the biggest codebase.

I think gases and pipes should be skipped for now, unless it's absolutely vital.

well, gases on their own work fine going up/down levels, being scrubbed up and down levels, etc.
as far as atmos goes it's literally just pipes left.

I want to atleast attempt cross level power, and then explosions (two lines really for explosions) and then get a first pass PR out.

Remie Richards wrote:well, gases on their own work fine going up/down levels, being scrubbed up and down levels, etc.
as far as atmos goes it's literally just pipes left.

I want to atleast attempt cross level power, and then explosions (two lines really for explosions) and then get a first pass PR out.

ITS almost HAPPENING
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

While I said I would be willing to port over the Russian Station should we ever get this multi-z level feature, but if we're going all in with Planet Station then I don't see a reason to dedicate time to a station that likely won't get used.

Steelpoint wrote:While I said I would be willing to port over the Russian Station should we ever get this multi-z level feature, but if we're going all in with Planet Station then I don't see a reason to dedicate time to a station that likely won't get used.

Planetstation will be a map.

Meaning?

The project aims seem to be utterly replacing the server maps with just planet station, last I checked.

Steelpoint wrote:Meaning?

The project aims seem to be utterly replacing the server maps with just planet station, last I checked.

No, that's a "long term possibility" which I'm sure won't even happen.

Well, we'll see.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:While I said I would be willing to port over the Russian Station should we ever get this multi-z level feature, but if we're going all in with Planet Station then I don't see a reason to dedicate time to a station that likely won't get used.

Planetstation will be a map.

You have no say or control over this.

Haevacht wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:While I said I would be willing to port over the Russian Station should we ever get this multi-z level feature, but if we're going all in with Planet Station then I don't see a reason to dedicate time to a station that likely won't get used.

Planetstation will be a map.

You have no say or control over this.

I'm repeating what Kor said

Huh, this is pretty neat actually. Will be interested in seeing what, if anything, comes of tinkering with it. Good find!

oh shit now I actually have to finish porting boxstation to multiple Z-levels

uhh

any ideas beyond lifting Command up a floor? I suppose I could put a few Medical or Science rooms on a higher or lower floor

Underfloor maint, then stitch departments closer together

Ricotez wrote:oh shit now I actually have to finish porting boxstation to multiple Z-levels

uhh

any ideas beyond lifting Command up a floor? I suppose I could put a few Medical or Science rooms on a higher or lower floor

Move interdepartmental maint into underfloor paths We won't need the maint between departments anymore so we can move it under the floor and divide the departments with walls (R walls maybe) instead of using maint hallways.

CHEMISTRY Z-LEVEL

I think the Russian Station will help showcase to everyone the benefits, but also possibilities, of multi z-levels.

Something being underestimated about new z-levels is it opens up space for more of certain job slots and also more rooms for new jobs. Instead of just bloating current departments, are there jobs that have been sidelined for lack of space that can now be accomodated with the extra space up and down that z-levels allow?

Make the bar 2 floors and put an arcade or something on top

Add a new construction area next to escape, but a floor higher so you get a cool view

Add a balcony that wraps around the library and move the library down

Just because you can does not mean you should.

I don't think we should use too much Multi-Z Level trickery with Boxstation at the very least.

If other mappers want to make their maps multi level then more power to them, but Box is the baseline as far as I'm concerned.

Steelpoint wrote:...

Well he asked for some ideas so I decided to shoot

I would love at least the construction area, it would allow for some crazy projects

yeah realistically just putting random chunks of box above/below where they are right now with no changes whatsoever is... a complete waste of time. it'd be a gimmick that doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever. if we're doing 3d, it'll need a unique dedicated map for it that takes full advantage of such a revolutionary change.

if we're doing 3d, it'll need a unique dedicated map for it that takes full advantage of such a revolutionary change.

remember to pre-order planetstation

Kor wrote:

if we're doing 3d, it'll need a unique dedicated map for it that takes full advantage of such a revolutionary change.

remember to pre-order planetstation

okay i've pm'd four hundred dollars to make this happen

make sure to follow my tweeter and like my youtube thanks

This is an amazing feature. I hope you manage to finish this, I'd love to branch off /tg/code with multiple z-levels for my own silly project.

is the multi z PR held up by the freeze please be the freeze and not lack of motivation i need this in my life remie please im begging you

It's both.

Donate some shekels to remie's patreon for russian multi z.

Scott wrote:Donate some shekels to remie's patreon for russian multi z.

unlock the motivation DLC it's only £[your kidney's value] or $[the price of love]! what a bargain!

You call this a "Spooky Russian Codebase"
This is fallout13 standards

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