/tg/Station 13

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dionysus24779 wrote:I really hate that during rounds where the station has a common threat (Ops, Wizard, Blob, Malf AI, etc.) oh so many people will try their hardest to be the big goddamn hero and do it all on their own. Nobody cooperates, coordinates or makes an organized effort. Everyone tries to be the hero, everyone trips over each other and gets in each others way. Even simple problems become monumental tasks sometimes. Like if there's a rogue AI people won't borg others anymore, despite there being the option to make an AI-less borg that could probably just roll in and kill the AI zero-effort. Nope, they rather abondon their jobs and stand around useless.

All for their minute of fame, for their 1 minute bragging rights circlejerk OOC after the round.

And yes, sometimes a single player can shine and turn it all around, but with a good organized crew it would never even need to come down to one player.

Though the lack of proper communication, coordination, organisation and cooperation seems to be a common problem in many rounds...

dionysus24779 wrote:snip

mikecari wrote:How would you make an AI-less borg anyway? Cut one of its wires?

Somejerk wrote:Where are my Night Vision Mesons? You told me there would be Night Vision Mesons!

Big Faggot wrote:ive been permabanned twice now and its pretty gay.

Delicious wrote:

rook wrote:

Big Faggot wrote:ive been permabanned twice now and its pretty gay.

The worst part about being permabanned isn't the ban itself; it's getting back and realizing that nobody noticed you were gone. ;_;

I wondered why you'd been gone so long.

RG4 wrote:/TG/ is slowly but steadily becoming a liteRP version of baystation with a slew of stupid 'fixes' that usually make the playerbase mad. The coders are 99% detached from the player base and usually implementing uneeded changes that people hardly ever ask for or force upon on changes that were never needed IE - Slow Space,Security Sprites, removing telescience, for what ever reasoning removing RIGS to hold large oxygen tanks.

RG4 wrote:/TG/ is slowly but steadily becoming a liteRP version of baystation with a slew of stupid 'fixes' that usually make the playerbase mad. The coders are 99% detached from the player base and usually implementing uneeded changes that people hardly ever ask for or force upon on changes that were never needed IE - Slow Space,Security Sprites, removing telescience, for what ever reasoning removing RIGS to hold large oxygen tanks.

DemonFiren wrote:I guess it's because roboticists won't name you

Wyzack wrote:Yeah i won't really touch cyborg anymore if i can help it, all the fun has been taken out for balance reasons.

dionysus24779 wrote:Originally I wanted to post this as a "story of rage, tears and regret" or whatever, but I know how much hate and shit I would get for it. So instead I'll post it here.

This isn't really a story about a particular round, but more of a general experience playing a borg.

Spoiler:

When I started playing SS13 I didn't quite now what job was really the one I would have the most fun with. I started as an Assistant like many people, eventually picked up the Genetics job, then Science and so many others too, including stuff like Virology, Detective, HoS, Captain and RD... but nothing felt ever quite right. But then I tried to become a borg and I loved it, I loved everything about it. You have a specialized role that you excel in, but in return you're useless at everything else. You're bound to your laws which gives you a really interesting dynamic, especially with crazy laws. And you always had an AI to guide you and other borgs for support. And more often then not the crew kind of loved you by default. At first I often played Secborg because I didn't trust myself with the complicated engieborg stuff, shooting bad guys and bringing them in was easy enough after all. Though when I picked up the engieborg trait I really fell in love with the role of a borg since you're so useful to everyone.

But then the nerfs started to happen and over the span of just a few years I could see my most favourite job become less and less and less fun. The first big nerf I recall removed the incredibly cool ability to self-repair from engieborgs, one of my most favourite features and still dearly missed... though I agree that it might have been too OP since it was really hard to take down an engieborg. Also the health of borgs got reduced by quite a lot, in fact as I remember borgs were so fragile you wouldn't even have the time to react at all... I guess that was fixed or I just got used to it, I cannot tell. Additionally the RCD, the most useful tool of the engieborg, became insanely expensive to use from a power standpoint, but that's still nothing to compare to the ludicrous cost of a stunbaton swing for secborgs, making it almost unuseable in any practical way.

Later on the crit system for borgs was overhauled, borgs would now go into "crit" and they would loose the ability to use their modules at certain health percentages. This added an annoying level of micromanagement to the order in which you equip modules, if you aren't careful you could find yourself suddenly unable to continue the attack or self-defense.

Borgs gained but also lost the ability to manipulate lockers in any way, though what's worse is that borgs aren't allowed to look into containers anymore, making it impossible for a borg to search someone or something.

They also lost the ability to put things into disposals which is quite sad since it was often so very useful.

Somewhere along there the Secborgs tazer was overhauled. Instead of being able to spam infinite range taser bolts he then had the new disabler/tazer combo, now he had a tactical choice of using up to 20 disabler shots with infinite range that could go through glass, but needed three hits to down someone, or try his luck with up to 5 taser shots with limited range and the need for a free line of fire... but sadly that couldn't last and the Secborg was left with just a disabler... surely it does its job, but it removed the tactical option and made it neigh-impossible for a borg to go up against a blinking wizard.

With the introduction of the new medicine system the Mediborg also received new chemicals to heal people... but last time I checked these proved to be mostly useless, making people annoyed by the constant pricking and stalking mediborgs who just tried to help in vain. Also there's this small nerf to needles which cannot pierce thick clothes anymore, preventing the Mediborg from applying medicine in some situations.

To give the crew another weapon against borgs the Ion Rifle was added to the armory and some crewmembers now had basically long-range flashes in the form of laserpointers.

And then who could forget the EMP overhaul? Before EMPs, Flashes and Laserpointers merely stunned a borg, making it unable to move for a pretty long but sometimes random amount of time. But these days... borgs get stunned, blinded, muted and deafened and they have their Sprite messed up so they look dead. A Flash, a Laserpointer, any of the numerous EMP attacks will now basically parapen a borg, they cannot move, see or even speak to report how they die... maybe get their last location out so it can be found.

Another small but understandable nerf was that the cost of the VTEC was changed from gold to uranium (iirc) to prevent borgs from plundering the vault to get one... which I can understand.

And lately of course we have the greatly increased energy drain. Before a borg without any tools equipped could be active for a really long time, loosing only 1 unit of energy per tick, having one module equipped was a bearable drain on your cell, two were worse and with three you had to keep an eye on your cell. But now? You loose 5 energy per tick without any module equipped and each module seems to add an additional 30 to that drain. So if you have a single module equipped a standard 15k cell will be drained within roughly 7-8 minutes. If you're busy and have all three equipped... well you can barely roll from one end of the station to another. You will now constantly be at the recharger to recharge... hah the recharger isn't even able to fully charge you anymore, stopping at 14995 because the drain is too much. Before an engieborg could wire all four solars and be done with only ~25% energy spend... but now an engieborg can maybe wire one solar and be back to recharge with 50% left.

Of course I won't deny that borgs also received a few buffs here and there... which pale in comparison to the nerfs though. The Engie and Mediborgs got a variety of new tools to use, very useful for the engieborg, but the mediborg would merely be able to assist in a surgery for the lack of hands. Also borgs got the ability to quickly manipulate doors and airlocks like the AI can, perhaps the most important buff in terms of convinience. And then there was a much welcomed update to the Borg-UI, moving the SecHud and MedHud functions to a seperate and dedicated interface element and making it available to all borgs, so now even an engieborg could see who's wanted or hurt and sec- and mediborgs didn't need to waste a slot on the hud-item... this was perhaps the most important buff borgs ever received overall.


So yeah... I think playing a borg has finally become not that much fun to play anymore, which is sad since it really was my most favourite role and I'm not that motivated to really to pick up other jobs. It's not like I will never play borg again, especially now that positron-brains offer a new alternative for dead players to re-enter the game as potential borgs... but it still is a bummer.

And I know some people will tell me I'm whining because I'm not an "unstoppable killermachine" that I actually never asked to be. And hey, I didn't even mentioned anything about naming rights until now.

TL;DR: Borgs aren't much fun anymore.

Rejoice my haters.

IcePacks wrote:MISGUIDED ANGER

i also find the almost widespread disregard for any chain of command irksome

IcePacks wrote:that was a pretty biting comment though considering your average captain is an all-access assistant

IcePacks wrote:a) this guy just tried to copy my escalating rant with an unreadable wall of text (defeating the purpose of the format)

PKPenguin321 wrote:mad props if you read all my bullshit whining

PKPenguin321 wrote:absolutely nobody respects the captain, even if he does his job, it's horseshit

PKPenguin321 wrote: absolutely nobody respects the captain, even if he does his job, it's horseshit

Saegrimr wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:absolutely nobody respects the captain, even if he does his job, it's horseshit

Enjoying that "light RP"? :^)

Not-Dorsidarf wrote:The best way to get respect as a captain is to shed your responsibilities.