/tg/Station 13

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InsaneHyena wrote:I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

peoplearestrange wrote:

InsaneHyena wrote:I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

Jeez... sorry.

InsaneHyena wrote:It was fun, at first, it was everyone's favourite gamemode, including mine. Then the meta formed.

Qbopper wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

InsaneHyena wrote:I hate team games, let me kill/die alone.

Jeez... sorry.

Not a fan of hyena just posting "X is shit fuck off" either but as they said, don't put words in their mouth

I'm curious if there's anyhwere interesting gang can go now - the consensus seems to be it was an inherently unfun gamemode

Steelpoint wrote:Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

JStheguy wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

Yeah this pretty much. The gangs don't act like gangs at all, they're too centralized and their objective doesn't really fit with being gangsters. I mean, I don't know about you, but fucking annexing a space station doesn't sound much like what a gang would do. Though honestly most of the things I would imagine a gang doing that fit in the themeing probably wouldn't be very fitting for a main antagonist.

Togopal wrote:

JStheguy wrote:

Steelpoint wrote:Revolution is a pure and simple game mode with most of the filler cut out.

Gang was a over complicated game mode that relied massively on the competence, but also RNG, of the placement and viability of the Gang Leaders. Here are the main issues Gang Mode had.

• Security was in a weird place. The game mode was crafted in a way in a attempt to sideline Security and to focus the game mode into a pure Gang v Gang mode. The problem here is that one of two things would occur, Security would be overrun by one Gang and then that Gang would win by having the Brig and most of Sec under its thumb. Alternatively Security would go balls to the wall shitsec and begin a massive purge of the entire station that was simply unfun and annoying for everyone involved.
• Gang was massively reliant on the competence of the Gang leader AND the positioning of the round start Gangsters. If you had a competent leader and control over a single department you would win. Too many rounds ended with one dominate gang with 20+ members and all the rest having one or two Gangsters doing nothing.
• The amount of cheese I saw with Dominator placements was unpalatable, a lot of the time you had no chance to zero in to the Dominator.

Ultimantly Gang is just a Rev game mode that was over saturated with poor ideas.

You also have to remember that back when Gang was on rotation, we had a large prevalence of conversion game modes. You had Cult, Rev, Gang and even Ratvar. I can't recall the math but I do remember that a large percentage of the game modes on the server at any time was a conversion based game mode, this led to a lot of furstration (more from sec) when you spent round after round having the crew desolve into a massive war. Conversion game modes are fun but only in moderation.

Yeah this pretty much. The gangs don't act like gangs at all, they're too centralized and their objective doesn't really fit with being gangsters. I mean, I don't know about you, but fucking annexing a space station doesn't sound much like what a gang would do. Though honestly most of the things I would imagine a gang doing that fit in the themeing probably wouldn't be very fitting for a main antagonist.

Its weird, it has the gang aspects of stereotypical "gang weapons" (uzis, pistols, etc), and spray tagging, but the entire domination thing and eliminating rival competition makes it feel like it's some sort of mafia

Kor wrote:Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Kor wrote:Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

cedarbridge wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Kor wrote:Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Kor wrote:Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

they do this anyways

BeeSting12 wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Kor wrote:Implant spam ruined gang and you can't really fix that without severely fucking up rev and turning both modes into a security genocide simulator

>implants no longer de-gang or give any indication that the implantee is a gangster
would this work?

I mean, you also have to consider the impact on sec vs the gangs. Eventually you're stuck with a station of guys that are all going feral but you can't use implants to stop the bleeding. So you upzip the armory and genocide the crew.

they do this anyways

yep pretty much. once implants run out, we start putting laser bolts through heads. either way i still maintain that gangs is better than clock cult.

Ikarrus wrote:I'm at least quite proud that I was able to actually make gang and iterate as much as I did considering I had no actual coding experience.