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Incoming wrote:

Zaffre wrote:How do you kill your target when they have been perma'd? I literally can't find a decent way and I didn't want to start a new thread.

Acquire a spacesuit and break into perma from space (make sure to break the grills from a distance with a thrown item or gun to avoid getting shocked). Tell your target you're here to rescue them, then just leave them to die in space halfway through the "rescue".

Make sure to give them an emergency air tank filled with N2O, for added laughs.

Which jobs can't be traitor?

LAB8 wrote:Which jobs can't be traitor?

Captain, Warden, Head of Security, Security Officer, and Detective.

Just a note, you still roll for antag if you have those jobs enabled.

Antag selection happens before job selection as of a month or so ago, so you just get popped into a job that allows for antag

Where do I get the anomaly core for a phazon?

invisty wrote:Where do I get the anomaly core for a phazon?

When the station gets an alert of something like a pyroclastic anomaly or bluespace anomaly etc, it will also give an expected location for the anomaly. Get an analyzer (the weird thing in blue toolboxes that nobody uses) and a remote signalling device. Use the analyzer on the anomaly and it will yield a signal. Enter the signal on the remote signalling device and ping it, and the anomaly will turn into a harmless anomaly core.

PKPenguin321 wrote:

invisty wrote:Where do I get the anomaly core for a phazon?

When the station gets an alert of something like a pyroclastic anomaly or bluespace anomaly etc, it will also give an expected location for the anomaly. Get an analyzer (the weird thing in blue toolboxes that nobody uses) and a remote signalling device. Use the analyzer on the anomaly and it will yield a signal. Enter the signal on the remote signalling device and ping it, and the anomaly will turn into a harmless anomaly core.

The different types of anomaly:
Flux wave anomaly. Explodes when you leave it for too long, and is otherwise harmless. It looks like a little yellow ball of lightning. Go scan it before it explodes.
Pyroclastic anomaly. Periodically releases plasma and sets things on fire, and explodes (spawning a hostile orange slime) when left for too long. It looks like a cloud of gas. Go scan it before it explodes, and bring a fire extinguisher.
Gravitational anomaly. Doesn't do anything when you leave it, but it drags things towards it and knocks them away (causing damage). It's probably one of the hardest to scan, despite its relative harmlessness. It looks like a forcewall/tesla ball.
Bluespace anomaly. If you don't scan this in time, everything within a significant radius of it is teleported to the same random location on the station (suddenly, the Armory is in Virology), and a Central announcement says "Massive bluespace translocation detected". It looks like a flux wave anomaly, but bluer. Scan it before it teleports everything.
High-intensity vortex anomaly. This child of hell and death is like a miniature singularity. It sucks things towards it, rips up flooring and walls, and deletes objects, exposing the room to space. It looks like a spinning vortexy wormhole. Scan it, shout the frequency, and run.

Lots of anomaly cores are great for research (for example, a pyroclastic anomaly has Biotech 6, which is almost as good as an alien brain), but they can be used to make phazon mechs too. A Scientist's (and the RD's) PDA has a remote signaller built into it, but with limited frequencies, so a handheld signaller is always better.

What EXACTLY does science need, minerals-why? The simple answer is "everything" but as a miner it helps what to focus on early and what to ignore.

Everything

For Materials research, usually at least one uranium and one diamond are completely lost, unless the person doing R&D is particularly good. Bags of holding use up a lot of diamonds, and xray laser guns (give them a crate of combat shotguns before you leave for mining, please!) use up about two sheets of uranium each.

Metal isn't such a big deal, but fifty sheets for R&D and a hundred for Robotics will go a long way. The same goes for glass, but halved.
Plasma is common on the asteroid and not such a big deal in R&D (it's not used for much), but in Robotics it's used for making Phazons (which requires a lot) and some mech equipment. R&D will usually be happy with five sheets (they can get more from xenobiology, often), and Robotics will always love you if you bring them plasteel (metal + plasma) - preferably in multiples of five. If they're making phazons, get as much as you can; if not, ten sheets will be fine.
Gold is used for some more useful Robotics equipment, such as posibrains and repair droids, and is also useful in R&D; it doesn't run out too quickly, but they might want some. Ten sheets will last R&D the rest of the round, probably, unless they're mass-producing hyper cells. Robotics will want maybe twenty sheets.
Silver is like gold, except R&D uses it a little more and Robotics uses it a little less (unless they're making Durands - they'll need a lot of silver then!). Fifteen sheets for both would make everyone happy; if Robotics is into Durands, give them twice that.
Uranium is rare on the asteroid, so grab it whenever you see it: a lot of R&D weapons and high-level tech uses it, and fifteen sheets would be good. Robotics uses it for high-level mech equipment, cyborg modules (VTEC) and mech armour (e.g. phazon); these don't get made much, so five sheets is fine unless they ask for more.
Diamonds are magical and brilliant and get as many as you can. Killing basilisks will help. You'll need at least two sheets (!) for a Ripley diamond drill, R&D will destroy one entirely in their research, and they use it all on bags of holding all the time. Five to seven sheets for Robotics (except if they're making a Gygax or diamond drills) and ten to fifteen for R&D will last them the round.
Bluespace crystals are useful early-game for R&D's bluespace research, and can be used in Phazons, but once they hit max Bluespace they can make their own, so it's not such a big deal unless you're planning on returning early.

TL;DR: Metal and glass are good, most materials are ~10 sheets each, if Robotics wants combat mechs try to get double that, and uranium and diamond are always in demand, since R&D eats them like Pac-Man and pills.

TheNightingale wrote:snip

Lots of good points here, but R&D never really needs to decon any raw materials except, like, one plasma sheet. That, and science will always, always love you for bluespace crystals; They're needed to make a telesci department (half the reason it's never made is lack of bluespace crystals), phazons, teleporters, all kinds of fun stuff.

to full max research, at bare minimum you need:
a couple silver
a few gold
atleast 3 uranium (unless you find a suspicious toolbox etc to skip xray laser)
1 diamond
1 (maybe 2) plasma sheets.

Basically just get a little of everything and give it to science early on, then you can go back to mining and get a big haul for actually building shit.

What is more lethal crank or krokodil?

qwert wrote:What is more lethal crank or krokodil?

Neither are very good as a poison because of very underwhelming overdose effects. In terms of addiction, crank is much deadlier.

How do you block an EMP blind? Like, when you use the EMP flashlight on someone, typically you're blinded and disoriented as well if you have HUDs on. Kinda limits the usefulness of it.

Sunglasses maybe?

EMPs should only be blinding you if you're wearing some kind of electronic eyewear. Thermals, HuDs, nightvision, mesons, all those. If you're going near an EMP, remove them.

I think the EMP flashlight blinds you because someone's shining a really bright light in your eyes. Wear sunglasses or something.

Where can I find the images for the different names for the bar such as 'The Wretched Hive or 'Officer Beepsky's'?

Zaffre wrote:Where can I find the images for the different names for the bar such as 'The Wretched Hive or 'Officer Beepsky's'?

This file:

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-statio ... rsigns.dmi

It's Officer Beersky

How many HP and damage resists do borgs have?

CPTANT wrote:How many HP and damage resists do borgs have?

Cyborgs have the same amount of health as humans (200) and lose modules every 50 damage taken. They don't have crit and will just take heavy damage instead. They don't have any damage resistance as far as I know, other than that they can't be punched.

tgstation policy is that a law 4 stating "X is not human" or "harm is a small town in rural germany" is to be followed, IIRC.

There are 2 kinds of laws an AI can have - one that says it must/must not do something, and one that defines what something is. The standard three laws of asimov all define what the AI must/must not do - these laws can only clash with other laws that define what they must or must not do. Definition laws can only clash with other definition laws - that is, a law 4 that say only John Madden is human doesn't clash with any of the previous 4 laws, but if a traitor gets a hacked upload board and uploads "Only John Cena is a human" then the AI must ignore the fourth law because it clashes with the earlier law.

Also note the different between:
Ian is human
To:
Only Ian is human

First one gives Ian the same rights as all the smelly hairless apes running around violating law 1.
Second means that humans are now corgis, and the only corgi that is human is Ian.

No, it does not mean that humans are corgis. It only means that what previously was human isn't anymore.

Malkevin wrote:Also note the different between:
Ian is human
To:
Only Ian is human

First one gives Ian the same rights as all the smelly hairless apes running around violating law 1.
Second means that humans are now corgis, and the only corgi that is human is Ian.

The Laws don't mention anything about corgis. For example, You could cover your face and wear an ID with the name "Ian" and be just be as valid for law protection, so long as you don't speak without a voice changer in front of a Silicon; who will realise that you're not actually an Ian (Like how using Changeling powers in front of a Silicon tells them you're not Human).

Tracking implants.

There's a little green gadget inside the tracking implants box that you can put tracking implants into. Once in that green gadget, you can click the green gadget to edit their signal (as far as I can tell that's all I can do). But I can't figure out how to remove them from that green gadget.

How do I remove tracking implants from the green gadget once I've edited the signal they give?

Swap hands and click on the gadget.

Two questions:
A) Despite having gotten a pure plasma canister up above 42000 degrees Kelvin and using only full tanks my bombs turn into weak farts. How do I Pete?
B) Heat exchangers - not heat exchanger pipes, but heat exchanger devices. How do they work?

B) Heat exchangers equalize the temperature of two gas mixes. Dumb example: say you have 10000°C hot O2 on one side of the exchangers and 0°C cold O2 on the other. Temperature for both gases will eventually be 5000°C - assuming both ends had the same amount of moles or some physics mathy sciency stuff... you get the idea.
http://i.imgur.com/Ct72vbz.jpg (used hot CO2 to heat up plasma in this picture)

Coulda sworn heat exchangers only had one input...honk. Didn't think to mirror them.

Cheimon wrote:Tracking implants.

There's a little green gadget inside the tracking implants box that you can put tracking implants into. Once in that green gadget, you can click the green gadget to edit their signal (as far as I can tell that's all I can do). But I can't figure out how to remove them from that green gadget.

How do I remove tracking implants from the green gadget once I've edited the signal they give?

That green gadget is actually the implanter.

No, not really. The implanter is the syringe thingie. The green gadget is the frequency editing thingie.

Also, you really don't want to ignite plasma in pipes, it results in a super disappointing burn.

Ignite in pipes versus what, now? In the mixing chamber or the canister?

Cheimon wrote:Tracking implants.

There's a little green gadget inside the tracking implants box that you can put tracking implants into. Once in that green gadget, you can click the green gadget to edit their signal (as far as I can tell that's all I can do). But I can't figure out how to remove them from that green gadget.

How do I remove tracking implants from the green gadget once I've edited the signal they give?

DemonFiren wrote:No, not really. The implanter is the syringe thingie. The green gadget is the frequency editing thingie.

Oh you mean the locator? Yeah that thing caught me out for ages...

You have to click on it with an empty hand. Its what a lot of the old game mechanics used to use to remove something from within something. An eject button on the popup dialogue might be useful one of these days (like the PDA's with ID's).

Does anyone know what the "specifics" health damage refers to when you scan someone?

I can't find any mention of it either on the wiki or on any PR's?

peoplearestrange wrote:Does anyone know what the "specifics" health damage refers to when you scan someone?

I can't find any mention of it either on the wiki or on any PR's?

Im guessing either what body part it is or if it is brute/burn/tox/oxy damage.

This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while. How do you permenantly delete a design from the database without resetting anything? It seems when I delete a design, it just re-appears at the bottom of the list.

Killbasa wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:Does anyone know what the "specifics" health damage refers to when you scan someone?

I can't find any mention of it either on the wiki or on any PR's?

Im guessing either what body part it is or if it is brute/burn/tox/oxy damage.

No, it displays like this:

Specifics 0/0/0/0
Head 0/0/0/0
Chest 0/0/0/0
Right arm 0/0/0/0
etc

Its as if "Specifics" is an area of the body... It takes damage. Normally its where toxins damage ends up, but occasionally brute and burn damage counters tick up and I have no idea which area of the body I should apply ointments too. I guess pills solve that, but still.

Is it not the total damage?

What Malk said, the top is the total overall damage on the mob from all the diff parts. Not applicable to all the damage types, since afaik you can never have '25 toxin damage in the leg' or '10 oxygen damage in the head' as those are within the mob and all, so only really applies to burn and brute.

Does it matter which side of a TEG hot and cold gas is pumped it? Could I pump in a hot gas from the left and a cold one from the right and have it still work?

What does sawing off a shotgun do to it aside from making it be more compact and fit in backpacks?

Does it impact its performance in any way or is it just a convenience thing that you can do if you can get a saw?

It does nothing except make the gun smaller.

Does sawing the stock off of a pump shotgun cause it to shoot you in the face like the double barrel does? Because it'd be pretty dumb if it did.

I checked that in game with the riot shotguns.

If you don't cock the shotgun, then sawing it while loaded will do nothing.

If you do cock the shotgun, then the gun's loaded shell will discharge onto your face.

So long as there's not a shell in the tube your fine to saw it off.

What is the deadliest flamethrower mix?

do you mean deadliest as in most damaging, or most lethal
because a mix with N2O in it is pretty much the only way you're gonna actually kill someone with a flamethrower

whodaloo wrote:do you mean deadliest as in most damaging, or most lethal
because a mix with N2O in it is pretty much the only way you're gonna actually kill someone with a flamethrower

Which mix is the most effective in combat

I find that a plasma tank with default fill amount and then the rest with O2, set it up to 300 or so and fire it all over the joint until the area is a big fireball.

Thing is, a flamethrower is an area denial weapon, not the best for taking down one person if they can run away, but you can stop people without firesuits being able to go somewhere for a minute or two.

Just how much N20 do you need to mix in for maximum effectiveness?