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Then those loads of people, yourself included, can convince them to stop being law-breaking faggots.John_Oxford wrote:its not the fact that your dcmaing them im against
i don't really care, i just want to play F13, this is directly affecting it and therefore it is bad
loads of people feel this way
That is an ancient story, it's a story that affects anyone that plays this game, and generally legality is hard to argue because this all happened 2003-2006 between associates who likely used no licensing whatsoever.tacolizard wrote:What's godring saying about our code being stolen? From what i've heard, the original ss13 source was stolen, so is he making a valid claim? Also, what exactly is his argument and why is it wrong?
oranges wrote:The fact that code might be stolen originally does not afaik affect the license to code I or others have contributed in good faith under the AGPL or GPL licenses, so while they could claim that yes, some of the code might not have a clear license due to it's past, I think we have a strong legal claim for the licensing of all the code that has been contributed after that point and can be proven via git history.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer.
He gave retroactive license to goonstation to release, so goonstation's r4407 release is legit. The only part it gets shaky on is I think goon licensed the entirety of the codebase under cc-by-sa-nc, where as we only license the art assets under creative commons (and it's only cc-by-sa).Incoming wrote:As far as I know the "least incorrect" narrative of the SS13 code being "stolen" was that someone Exadv1 trusted leaked the source code without his blessing and he was understandably a little salty about it. However later when he saw what became of the game because of the leak he was retroactively fine with it.
Probably all still heresy but the point is the one guy who reasonably could DMCA SS13 as a whole into oblivion is a cool guy who doesn't mind how things panned out.
thot_slayer wrote:don't be a degenerate online if you don't want people to treat you like a degenerate morty
bandit wrote:what is this
a correct post by pillz
original fanart by TheWiznard http://i.imgur.com/TTd3AFt.jpgTheWiznard wrote:jmad you read a book out loud to no one for two hours
As a lawyer I can tell you that when legal complaints are filed in court then DECISIONS ARE MADE and those decisions can have LEGAL IMPLICATIONS.TheColdTurtle wrote:What exactly could happen if this goes to court? What would happen if either side wins?
This isn't the sort of thing that when it goes to court it makes for good TV. Its generally just a long series of hearings and most of the legal legwork is done on paper. Hearings generally just devolve into motions and cross-motions before both lawyers bop off for a beer. Further, I really doubt either side is sufficiently motivated to take this all the way through the legal system. A suit like this, depending on fee agreements and local jurisdiction costs, can be exceedingly expensive. Where F13 is an upstart server without financial backing and intentions to cover its costs with perk purchasing, I really doubt they'd even survive past the discovery phase.Fiz Bump wrote:If this goes to court, we HAVE to livestream it.
I always forget Robustin and I share a profession.Oldman Robustin wrote:This looks pretty juicy but software licensing ain't my bag. I've only dealt with more traditional categories of IP. When you file the complaint, post it and I might be able to get some input from people who are actually qualified.
Bruh, I study arguably the most boring field of biology. Even if it's just regular court proceedings I want to see Curious MSO Goes to Court.cedarbridge wrote:This isn't the sort of thing that when it goes to court it makes for good TV.Fiz Bump wrote:If this goes to court, we HAVE to livestream it.
no he's a trial minTheColdTurtle wrote:Why the fuck would you admit to being underage ahahahaha. Is he banned from here now?
Good work.MrStonedOne wrote:As for the dmca:
Long story short, fallout 13 claimed fair use and either we actually file a lawsuit against godsring or byond has to reinstate it after 14 days. Obviously i'm going to choose lawsuit. I'm waiting for a email back from the FSF on some technical questions I have for the lawsuit, and i'll likely have more questions.
The jurisdiction would likely be the federal court in san francisco, California. I have family in north cal and I grew up in mid cal, It would be a stretch, but I could do this entire thing pro-se and avoid the legal cost of a lawyer (assuming I don't get a summary judgement and avoid even needing to go out there.).
My argument is likely to be that they can not claim fair use when they use so much of our work, and when they take payments for perks.
They also were before saying they could do modules and it would allow them to keep the modules closed source, but, well, let me just let Mr Stallman answer that for you: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.ht ... uleLicense
After I get some questions answered I'll start issuing more dmca's. The RU version of the server is hosted by OVH.FR, they have copyright law. I might have to fork out money for a legal translator but submitting a french version of a DMCA does seem to be possible.
And to anybody partial to take fallout13's side on this matter: Listen up, I'm talking to you now.
All they have to do is open source, and this all ends. That's it. Open source does not mean they have to accept pull requests, or even take other people's code submissions, it just means that the current code the server is running has to be available to the public.
Hell, they could even add an additional term requiring that forks not pretend to be "official fallout13" servers, ie, require that they specify that they are an unofficial server in announcements and the byond hub (as long as this applies to the running server and not the code itself, it is unlikely to clash with agpl.)
This is the crowning point of Open Source, that if you build upon the works of open source software, you have to do so as open software. You can not take what is now almost 10 Years now of hard work by half a thousand different developers and try to claim it as yours. It is all of ours, because all of us worked on it, and anything based upon that has to pay in kind.
thot_slayer wrote:don't be a degenerate online if you don't want people to treat you like a degenerate morty
bandit wrote:what is this
a correct post by pillz
but then all of fo13 would be gone and that would be kinda sad againDrPillzRedux wrote:Honestly, someone should tell Bethesda about the 2d ripoff of their IP. I'm sure they'll love the rape feature.
Limey wrote:its too late.
Remember that spesslaw requires cooking copious amounts of faggots.Oldman Robustin wrote:Against my better judgment I'm contemplating getting involved. I've read the AGPL3 and realized the license makes this dispute less technical than I initially thought, and I would downright enjoy tearing apart a fair use defense.
Plus I think it would give me a basis to put "Space Lawyer" on my business card.
You were cucked by levelheadednessOldman Robustin wrote:Against my better judgment I'm contemplating getting involved. I've read the AGPL3 and realized the license makes this dispute less technical than I initially thought, and I would downright enjoy tearing apart a fair use defense.
Plus I think it would give me a basis to put "Space Lawyer" on my business card.
dibs on being called as a witness then WGWcedarbridge wrote: This isn't the sort of thing that when it goes to court it makes for good TV. Its generally just a long series of hearings and most of the legal legwork is done on paper. Hearings generally just devolve into motions and cross-motions before both lawyers bop off for a beer. Further, I really doubt either side is sufficiently motivated to take this all the way through the legal system. A suit like this, depending on fee agreements and local jurisdiction costs, can be exceedingly expensive. Where F13 is an upstart server without financial backing and intentions to cover its costs with perk purchasing, I really doubt they'd even survive past the discovery phase.
MrStonedOne wrote:You were cucked by levelheadednessOldman Robustin wrote:Against my better judgment I'm contemplating getting involved. I've read the AGPL3 and realized the license makes this dispute less technical than I initially thought, and I would downright enjoy tearing apart a fair use defense.
Plus I think it would give me a basis to put "Space Lawyer" on my business card.
I have been informed that GodRing will be releasing the source.
>robustin doing goodOldman Robustin wrote:MrStonedOne wrote:You were cucked by levelheadednessOldman Robustin wrote:Against my better judgment I'm contemplating getting involved. I've read the AGPL3 and realized the license makes this dispute less technical than I initially thought, and I would downright enjoy tearing apart a fair use defense.
Plus I think it would give me a basis to put "Space Lawyer" on my business card.
I have been informed that GodRing will be releasing the source.
Too late, I can taste blood in the water. Time to go after Colonial Marines for violating our Creative Commons license.
he literally offered to help opensource lizards at the expense of russians, of course he dinduInsaneHyena wrote:Robustin is a good boy who dindu nuffin, don't bully him
thot_slayer wrote:don't be a degenerate online if you don't want people to treat you like a degenerate morty
bandit wrote:what is this
a correct post by pillz
I agree with Robustin. Just based on these your average 1L could handle this. He made a good move in kissing the ring when he could.
if possible, would you sue them to have your work removed?Danowar wrote:spriting for this project was a mistake
Yeah, I guess.Danowar wrote:I could probably take my assets back at any time. I'm just going to wait for now though. All I would want is proper credit if it actually goes open source.
