/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:10 am**

Bottom post of the previous page:

godsring wrote:Had I not come to MrStonedOne prior to the first hosting session perhaps I would understand better where you are coming from regarding the disrespect but I did offer the code. I feel that is in the spirit of open source.

There is a great resource called Google, have you heard of it? You could do with a better understanding of open source.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:12 am**

Again you are wrong I am not using some loophole to justify anything? I compiled with the AGPL I offered the code as the AGPL stated "before" hosting without response.

I did not add content packs or collect funds for it neither did I attempt to "justify" Jackerzz doing so. If you had been reading what I have been saying then you would understand I am here to set the record straight. I volunteered to share what was required by the AGPL before anyone else thought of it. I actively fought against monitization by jackerzz regarding content packs under the AGPL.

As for being a parasite I am not that either I offered the code before any of this started. I am now not offering code that is non AGPL that I made because of how I feel I was treated when I was attempting to do the right thing. Do you not see what I am saying?

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:14 am**

Limey wrote:you drive me to drink godsring

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:15 am**

It's not about offering, it's about publishing whether your code is currently wanted or not.
That would have been the right thing.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:18 am**

DemonFiren wrote:It's not about offering, it's about publishing whether your code is currently wanted or not.
That would have been the right thing.

You mean license complying, legally binding, contractually expected thing.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:19 am**

godsring wrote:
Should have followed the license before we without warning DMCAed you lul

The license is the warning.

godsring wrote:I would understand better where you are coming from regarding the disrespect but I did offer the code. I feel that is in the spirit of open source.

Offering *US* the code isn't making it open source.
We don't want your code, as has been said quite a lot already, we simply want you, who at the time were a derivative work of AGPL /tg/station13, to open your work to EVERYONE, as is required legally.
You're not hitler, people are simply using this as a (nearly valid) reason to attack you, but you DID fuck up, opening the source up and moving to legacy GPL /tg/station13 code solves the fuck up, and you've done that.

Nobody is calling you a thief now, they were saying you were a thief then (and by not complying, you were)

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:19 am**

Well it is over now, is it not? The source is released I had not hosted it since the DMCA you feel me offering was not enough but now its said and done? Why must hostility continue? The whole situation is done and over the source was released? What more is that you as a community want just to continue being angry that there was a bit of miscommunication and understand and to what benefit does it give anyone to continue being upset about it. Lets lock the thread and ends the hate yes?

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:22 am**

godsring wrote:Well it is over now, is it not? The source is released I had not hosted it since the DMCA you feel me offering was not enough but now its said and done? Why must hostility continue? The whole situation is done and over the source was released? What more is that you as a community want just to continue being angry that there was a bit of miscommunication and understand and to what benefit does it give anyone to continue being upset about it. Lets lock the thread and ends the hate yes?

Asking to have the thread locked will only ensure the thread remains open. Best to leave and wait for us to forget.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:22 am**

godsring wrote:Well it is over now, is it not? The source is released I had not hosted it since the DMCA you feel me offering was not enough but now its said and done? Why must hostility continue? The whole situation is done and over the source was released? What more is that you as a community want just to continue being angry that there was a bit of miscommunication and understand and to what benefit does it give anyone to continue being upset about it. Lets lock the thread and ends the hate yes?

You did kind of open yourself up for attack by coming here and taking a while to openly and clearly admit you done goofed.
Humans need enemies.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:24 am**

It's pretty apparent you and your discord team have been acting in bad faith throughout this whole ordeal. As for hostility in general, even now hostility still exists on your side in your discord so this moral high ground is pretty hypocritical.

Regardless, locking the thread is an entirely separate matter.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:25 am**

ohnopigeons wrote:It's pretty apparent you and your discord team have been acting in bad faith throughout this whole ordeal. Even now hostility still exists on your side in your discord.

I actually have to speak in his defense here, this is no reason for us to mirror that kind of behaviour.

Though it is an appealing thought.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:36 am**

Some hostility probably also derives from him going "Well you could've gotten the code if you had accepted my offer, but you were mean to me so now you get nothing!" which kinda misses the point of the whole thing to make him look like he "won"

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 9:11 am**

If you were arrested for breaking the law, would you also whine about how hostile the police is to actually enforce it, because you didn't think they would?

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 9:26 am**

I JUST FOUND A THREAD WITH GODSRING COMPLAINING ABOUT GPL NOT BEING FOLLOWED THE CIRCLE HAS CLOSED

THIS JUICY HYPOCRACY SUSTAINS ME

godsring wrote:All I honestly wanted to see from the beginning is compliance with the license and to have the hub taken down till he gets compliant that is all..its a shame things have had to come this far... he is trying so hard to bypass just doing such a simple thing...it wont hurt him in anyway or even prevent him from making money.. in all reality it protects him

godsring wrote:My intent was purely to protect my content and make sure the GPL was fully enforced...

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 9:49 am**

Hahahaha holy shit

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 10:15 am**

This will remain in the salt reserves for all eternity, right?

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 10:50 am**

Its in General Chat, already permanent.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 10:51 am**

I don't think it will remain as a sticky in the general chat forever, right?

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 11:12 am**

callanrockslol wrote:I JUST FOUND A THREAD WITH GODSRING COMPLAINING ABOUT GPL NOT BEING FOLLOWED THE CIRCLE HAS CLOSED

THIS JUICY HYPOCRACY SUSTAINS ME

godsring wrote:All I honestly wanted to see from the beginning is compliance with the license and to have the hub taken down till he gets compliant that is all..its a shame things have had to come this far... he is trying so hard to bypass just doing such a simple thing...it wont hurt him in anyway or even prevent him from making money.. in all reality it protects him

godsring wrote:My intent was purely to protect my content and make sure the GPL was fully enforced...

holy fuck i don't even have a lizard picture for this

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 12:07 pm**

callanrockslol wrote:I JUST FOUND A THREAD WITH GODSRING COMPLAINING ABOUT GPL NOT BEING FOLLOWED THE CIRCLE HAS CLOSED

THIS JUICY HYPOCRACY SUSTAINS ME

godsring wrote:All I honestly wanted to see from the beginning is compliance with the license and to have the hub taken down till he gets compliant that is all..its a shame things have had to come this far... he is trying so hard to bypass just doing such a simple thing...it wont hurt him in anyway or even prevent him from making money.. in all reality it protects him

godsring wrote:My intent was purely to protect my content and make sure the GPL was fully enforced...

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 2:29 pm**

Godring pls respond i need to know what you have to say for yourself now

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 3:18 pm**

I gave him a fair chance unlike you guys; you were so mean being so random for doing what was within your rights legally. MSO was so cruel.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 3:21 pm**

include me in the screencap

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 3:21 pm**

godsring is a level three thinker

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 3:36 pm**

If anyone is still in the FO13 discord they should link to that

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 4:05 pm**

I think they purged our moles inside the discord

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 4:47 pm**

after all russians have a lot of experience with purges

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 4:58 pm**

Okay let's not stoop down to russophobia.

I think the english one got take down but the russian one is still up.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:07 pm**

>russophobia
can't these people take a goddamn joke
fucking hell half my family is russian and i'm not the least bit offended by me

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:15 pm**

Wyzack wrote:If anyone is still in the FO13 discord they should link to that

I don't wanna bring the subject myself, as to not provoke them. But I can bring it up once it's relevant

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:27 pm**

Ok, so one large difference between this project and my complaint I completely own Dungeon Master and was within my right to demand others along with my TOS not to use my code in their closed source games. The credibility of TG's license is highly debatable. I honestly believe if I took /TG/ to court it would be an easy win considering but again I am already in the middle of another court case and cannot afford to goto court for two separate cases especially one where I would need to travel multiple states away for a project that only drains and gains my nothing financially. Now going back to me offering the code this was me giving respect to /TG/ for the work they have done on the source I was attempting to honor your what I believed to be false licence. Anyways, I honestly think this needs to end considering the supposed AGPL code is no longer being used.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:29 pm**

As was said, giving *US* the code does NOT honour the license.
That would merely be sharing closed source code, not making it open.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:41 pm**

callanrockslol wrote:I JUST FOUND A THREAD WITH GODSRING COMPLAINING ABOUT GPL NOT BEING FOLLOWED THE CIRCLE HAS CLOSED

THIS JUICY HYPOCRACY SUSTAINS ME

godsring wrote:All I honestly wanted to see from the beginning is compliance with the license and to have the hub taken down till he gets compliant that is all..its a shame things have had to come this far... he is trying so hard to bypass just doing such a simple thing...it wont hurt him in anyway or even prevent him from making money.. in all reality it protects him

godsring wrote:My intent was purely to protect my content and make sure the GPL was fully enforced...

http://imgur.com/a/PKLxV

?????

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 5:42 pm**

Again I am "not" in violation of any licenses or even any supposed licenses neither have I been in several weeks.

As well I would like to note that I did not verbally attack Jolenar when they did what they did to me.
I calmly and professionally handled the situation which "he" brought to the public forums and I won justice without being insulting or immature about it.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:03 pm**

Ok, I'm guessing you lack a knowledge of english tenses.
Nobody is saying you are in violation this very moment.
Since the open source release of your code, all discussion has been about the past, where you WERE in violation of the license.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:09 pm**

godsring wrote:Well it is over now, is it not? The source is released I had not hosted it since the DMCA you feel me offering was not enough but now its said and done?

The jury is still out on that, from a casual glance i did earlier, it seemed like the legacy version that was hosted on github, had agpl code, i just haven't had the time to do a full check, nor confirm that your version had it, nor confirm that you have modifications that aren't on the github

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:12 pm**

MrStonedOne wrote:
godsring wrote:Well it is over now, is it not? The source is released I had not hosted it since the DMCA you feel me offering was not enough but now its said and done?
The jury is still out on that, from a casual glance i did earlier, it seemed like the legacy version that was hosted on github, had agpl code, i just haven't had the time to do a full check, nor confirm that your version had it, nor confirm that you have modifications that aren't on the github

I can allow you access to access the situation as I have nothing to hide in regards to not using your AGPL licensed code.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:17 pm**

https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... /master.dm https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... bsystem.dm

This has dynamic wait, something that was made after agpl

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:22 pm**

MrStonedOne wrote:https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... /master.dm https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... bsystem.dm

This has dynamic wait, something that was made after agpl

Considering development began in 2014 on that git I do not believe so.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:29 pm**

The Neverending Story: Godspring Dindu Nuffin

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 6:49 pm**

godsring wrote:Again I am "not" in violation of any licenses or even any supposed licenses neither have I been in several weeks.

As well I would like to note that I did not verbally attack Jolenar when they did what they did to me.
I calmly and professionally handled the situation which "he" brought to the public forums and I won justice without being insulting or immature about it.

I mostly just wanted to point out your hypocrisy. MSO said you could just require forks of your work to state that they're running off modified versions of your game but apparently that's a horrible inconvenience for you despite the fact that you asked Jolenar to do the same thing several months ago.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:32 pm**

godsring wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... /master.dm https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... bsystem.dm

This has dynamic wait, something that was made after agpl
Considering development began in 2014 on that git I do not believe so.

It doesn't matter when development began, though? It just matters that the dynamic wait code is AGPL.
Relevant PRs;
Dynamic Wait: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/9231
AGPL: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/6689

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:41 pm**

ChangelingRain wrote:
godsring wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... /master.dm https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... bsystem.dm

This has dynamic wait, something that was made after agpl
Considering development began in 2014 on that git I do not believe so.
It doesn't matter when development began, though? It just matters that the dynamic wait code is AGPL.
Relevant PRs;
Dynamic Wait: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/9231
AGPL: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/6689

It may be AGPL now but back in 2014 when it was in the source it surely was not. I have not went over the commit but I do not see how we could get the AGPL content back in 2014 we dont have a time machine

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:42 pm**

godsring wrote:
ChangelingRain wrote:
godsring wrote:
MrStonedOne wrote:https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... /master.dm https://github.com/BartNixon/Fallout13/ ... bsystem.dm

This has dynamic wait, something that was made after agpl
Considering development began in 2014 on that git I do not believe so.
It doesn't matter when development began, though? It just matters that the dynamic wait code is AGPL.
Relevant PRs;
Dynamic Wait: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/9231
AGPL: https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/6689
It may be AGPL now but back in 2014 when it was in the source it surely was not. I have not went over the commit but I do not see how we could get the AGPL content back in 2014 we dont have a time machine

Please look at the timestamps on the pr mergedates, you will find it illuminating. Since you do not have a time machine, the dynamic wait code is AGPL.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:46 pm**

Oh hmm alright if this is true I will be deleting the source and shutting down the project as I currently do not have the financial means to fight this in court. Have a nice day.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:51 pm**

godsring wrote:Oh hmm alright if this is true I will be deleting the source and shutting down the project as I currently do not have the financial means to fight this in court. Have a nice day.

Or you know, make it open source.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:56 pm**

godsring wrote:Oh hmm alright if this is true I will be deleting the source and shutting down the project as I currently do not have the financial means to fight this in court. Have a nice day.

Or just provide that snippet from your copy, it's entirely possible your copy doesn't have it? Instead of throwing a temper tantrum.

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:59 pm**

>no one else can have it

Ok then

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 7:59 pm**

godsring wrote:Oh hmm alright if this is true I will be deleting the source and shutting down the project as I currently do not have the financial means to fight this in court. Have a nice day.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:00 pm**

With only a few donations to your fellow fallout 13 supporters you can keep me alive in court!

Posted: **Wed May 24, 2017 8:03 pm**

I doubt many people will donate to him considering the money is just going to be funneled through to some lawyer and he probably won't even win the case

Or maybe he's got a master plan, and this is just to attract donations from people, then open-source and get the case dropped so he can run off with the money

/tg/Station 13

MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?

Re: MSO DCMA F13 Claim?