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Code supporting a new config option ENFORCE_HUMAN_AUTHORITY has been added.

To use, simply put ENFORCE_HUMAN_AUTHORITY on a new line in game_options.txt (or uncomment it if you have it commented)

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/4744

The option restricts command positions to human characters. This means that you cannot join the game as a lizard in these positions, but you still may end up promoted to one of these positions through IC interactions.

The config option defaults to off. The poll is to see if there is any interest in trying it out for a while and see where it takes us.

Can this be toggled on the fly? I don't mind once in a while lizards being restricted to non security/command jobs, but I don't want it to be rule.

You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

The server host can change the config in between rounds without needing to recompile the code.

There's also debug magic but it's not very intuitive for both admins and players involved.

It is okay to try, but I really do not want this to wind up being permanent. Lizards are purely cosmetic, so I do not understand the point of doing this.

I don't see the point. The lizard racism is already dying down as people are getting bored of it.

Wait we can be lizards now?

No, we can be lizard people. Lizards are those small critters.

I voted no but it might be fun to try out if everyone else wants to.

I think the config is fine for other servers, but I dont really want to try it because it's probably going to stick. I voted no.

Gun Hog wrote:It is okay to try, but I really do not want this to wind up being permanent. Lizards are purely cosmetic, so I do not understand the point of doing this.

This. Are the lizards any different as far as abilities, healing power, damage ability, what server/station rules they have to follow? I would understand if maybe the lore and rp calls for them to act a certain malicious/mischievous/harmful way but if not and it's just cosmetic what's next? No one with a beard or redhair?

Wasn't our fluff that lizards were second class citizens and were mostly employed by nanotrasen as janitors,cargo techs, and other low class jobs? I personally liked the fluff so I voted yes.

Durkel wrote:Wasn't our fluff that lizards were second class citizens and were mostly employed by nanotrasen as janitors,cargo techs, and other low class jobs? I personally liked the fluff so I voted yes.

If there's a lore to it I'm pretty okay with it. Like the vox on /vg/ they are sneaky weird birds that love shiny things and are treated as such. They sign up and play that role.

All this stands to do right now is reduce the amount of people available for command/security selection at roundstart. I think the chronic lack of security later in the day (when the numbers drop off) will be more of an issue than 'm-muh emulsions'.

it's almost as if everyone totally ignored the solution I suggested in the other thread.

Voted no because it's dumb.

No because security is hardly a glamorous position anyway, if you are going to put in a stupid config option it makes more sense to bar them from head positions. If someone wants to be a griefed lizard and a preemptively hated and host despised security, let them.

Incomptinence wrote:if you are going to put in a stupid config option it makes more sense to bar them from head positions. If someone wants to be a griefed lizard and a preemptively hated and host despised security, let them.

For the sake of not gimping security further I have no qualms about making this change.

Is this something you guys would like to see?

Ikarrus wrote:

Incomptinence wrote:if you are going to put in a stupid config option it makes more sense to bar them from head positions. If someone wants to be a griefed lizard and a preemptively hated and host despised security, let them.

For the sake of not gimping security further I have no qualms about making this change.

Is this something you guys would like to see?

I think sec grunt lizards would be fine as far as fluff goes. Unarmed security generally pays low wages. OOC we need as many people playing sec as possible.

Then it shall be done.

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/pull/4744

Enforce Human Authority will (soon) only restrict command positions.

I don't know.

On the one hand I can see the reason to allow Lizards into Security. But on the other hand it kind of defeats the purpose of restricting Lizards from key station positions.

Someone earlier suggested that if you get picked for security you automatically spawn as human regardless of what race you picked.

I like that solution better.

Reimoo wrote:Someone earlier suggested that if you get picked for security you automatically spawn as human regardless of what race you picked.

I like that solution better.

You mean this?

Steelpoint wrote:Couldn't it be a system where if you are selected for a 'human only' role, you simply don't spawn in as a lizard?

That was my earlier suggestion, I still stand by it.

Yes, exactly. What we're proposing right now is unnecessarily complicated.

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

humanity is now one step ahead of the lizard scum.

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Then don't play a fucking lizard

Kraso wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Any Monty Python reference is a golden argument swallow/swallow

I would like to try it because I think it makes for good fluff if we are going with that. What this server really needs is a unique mutant race rather than boring lizards.

geilebeer wrote:Then don't play a fucking lizard

More like I won't play fucking heads and security, we have too many of those, right?

Atticat wrote:good fluff

>slave nonhuman race of peasants

Gimme a break.

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

It's part of the lore that lizards are second class citizens. Abstaining from this vote though.

What lore

Show me this lore

Anything apart from "admins spawned lizard as janitor"

Literally all of the best situations involving lizards for me so far included lizards in command or security roles

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:What lore

Show me this lore

Anything apart from "admins spawned lizard as janitor"

Literally all of the best situations involving lizards for me so far included lizards in command or security roles

Lizardmen are typically seen by many members of the community to be a 'low cast' species. Other servers that offer the option to play as Lizardmen tend to have them play low level roles such as Janitors, Traders, etc.

On our server, most cases of a Lizardman being spawned in are for Janitors and other low-level personel. Rare exceptions for events, I do recall the 'Lizard Wizard'.'

This situation we have is a opportunity to define how Lizardmen are placed in the social hierarchy in our lore, while it has been usually agreed that lizardmen are low in the social ladder, it has never been codified in our lore that it is the case.

Lizardmen were INTERESTING when they were only the shitty jobs, right now it's just 'lel, I'm a fucking lizard'. Lore restrictions like this make being a different race interesting, and is good for RP.

Also on a practical note, this makes it EVEN HARDER to be a stealthy traitor, as suddenly your race makes the differene between being able to impersonate someone, and getting immediately ratting out for having/not having a tail.

A compromise could be letting Chameleon Jumpsuit also alter your species as well as your jumpsuit? Gives it more useage.

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:What lore

Show me this lore

Anything apart from "admins spawned lizard as janitor"

Literally all of the best situations involving lizards for me so far included lizards in command or security roles

It was in the wiki for a rather long time back on the ss13.eu thing. Cant seem to find it now. Its still there though and still exists. Like I said I am neutral on this and see the point of both sides of the argument

Antonkr wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:What lore

Show me this lore

Anything apart from "admins spawned lizard as janitor"

Literally all of the best situations involving lizards for me so far included lizards in command or security roles

It was in the wiki for a rather long time back on the ss13.eu thing. Cant seem to find it now. Its still there though and still exists. Like I said I am neutral on this and see the point of both sides of the argument

Now that you mention that, I did find this on the old wiki.

Recently hired by Nanotrasen after the Lessen Equality Act of 2550, these cold-blooded employees have been assigned to various low-ranking jobs on the station, such as janitorial work or botany. However, the other companies have been heard of recruiting them as well.

*EDIT* Its actually on the current wiki as well.

The people who want bad jobs to stay bad are terrible. Janitor isn't terrible though it has similar to the clown or you can play it straight, making it actually quite popular?

The lore really doesn't matter when lizard wasn't even a choice for players. And lore can change.

lumipharon wrote:Lizardmen were INTERESTING when they were only the shitty jobs, right now it's just 'lel, I'm a fucking lizard'. Lore restrictions like this make being a different race interesting, and is good for RP.

The other upshot is not being a lizard RD with an AI that doesn't have to give a shit what you say.

I have to admit, I voted no on this just because lizard Captains going reverse-hitler or something is amazing to watch, but either way it should be fun to see.

Antonkr wrote: It's part of the lore that lizards are second class citizens. Abstaining from this vote though.

Basically this.

geilebeer wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Then don't play a fucking lizard

Welcome to Speciesm.
http://baystation12.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9632
IT'S NOT JUST ON BAYSTATION, OR PARADISE, BUT ON /tg/ AS WELL NOW.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

... it looks like bay are rejecting it because space racists are quite valid on bay, well they will get beaten up that is. With baymed and being an asshole leading to maybe getting refused treatment that seems potentially round ruining for the pretend racist.

Incomptinence wrote:... it looks like bay are rejecting it because space racists are quite valid on bay, well they will get beaten up that is. With baymed and being an asshole leading to maybe getting refused treatment that seems potentially round ruining for the pretend racist.

They don't get beaten up on Baystation, just yelled at.
If you want to get gangbanged by a cat/ lizard squad for being a spiecest, that's Paradise. Anywhom, more on topic, I voted yes. The hilarity that will ensue from all this is gonna be good.

Cipher3 wrote:

Kraso wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Any Monty Python reference is a golden argument swallow/swallow

I literally did not understand what you meant by "golden argument swallow/swallow"

Kraso wrote:

Cipher3 wrote:

Kraso wrote:

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

Can somebody explain to me how lack of lizards in command positions is gonna add ANYTHING?

And that's decided by a vote in which less people participated than there sometimes most of the time are in a single round?

Are you out of your fucking minds, people?

Any Monty Python reference is a golden argument swallow/swallow

I literally did not understand what you meant by "golden argument swallow/swallow"

African or European?

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

cedarbridge wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Except they are no longer bound by law 1 for the heads and security.

Who were already non-human lizard people, so therefore the change was redundant

QuartzCrystal wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:

Malkevin wrote:

Scott wrote:You should also make the opposite of this, where Lizards are the only ones allowed to take on security and command roles, because why not.

That would be hilarious in rev

>subvert the AI >"security and heads are not human"

LAWS UPDATED: NOTHING HAS CHANGED

Except they are no longer bound by law 1 for the heads and security.

And they never were from the start.

Pre-"heads are not human" law - Lizards aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply
Post-"heads are not human" law - Lizards (who are also the heads of staff) aren't human. Law 1 doesn't apply.