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So this is what the AI sat looked like after we fortified it. The AI managed to hack enough APCs to get the timer below 200 without anyone even noticing :^)

And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.

Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.

cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.

Well thats why I was there you little cutie pie

Saegrimr wrote:Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.

Borgs can't make racks, though. Windows, however, would still work.

Put this in the screenshots thread instead it's been done a thousand times over

ExplosiveCrate wrote:

Saegrimr wrote:Shoulda loaded up the floor with Racks too, they have to spend the time to dismantle it and lasers shoot over them.

Borgs can't make racks, though. Windows, however, would still work.

Oh right, forgot they make the "rack parts" first.
Windows would be a good option, yes.

Ahammer18 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.

Well thats why I was there you little cutie pie

If the crew couldn't handle locking/blowing the borgs under malf then they have bigger problems than your AI sat autism fort.

I ain't even rogue.

You can kill those barriers and they don't actually have a lot of health you know

I remember that round from Scott's image, I don't actually think the AI was rogue.

cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.

1 miner with tier 0-1 gibonite can cause a lot of problems, that boom will knock on a turret and several walls, then place the second and dead AI.

paprika wrote:You can kill those barriers and they don't actually have a lot of health you know

Toggling the generator off and back on restores them, though.

You can stack doors.

-Game Changer-

Its actually makes me kinda sad how effective spamming airlocks is. Not because the doors are seriously harder to open than removing walls, but the fact that they somehow still keep engineers out for more than 30 seconds. If you're an engineer with gloves and can't hack a door, be ashamed.

Even with a skilled engineer they would still need to stop and weld the door before trying to hack it, giving the AI enough time to disrupt power to the door and make it unhackable for a minute.

Yeah if the engineer didnt bother to check the important wires previously it can take a lot of time.

ExplosiveCrate wrote:Even with a skilled engineer they would still need to stop and weld the door before trying to hack it, giving the AI enough time to disrupt power to the door and make it unhackable for a minute.

Well enough, but the conern was a bit more general.

Fun thing about AI's who build door mazes that appear to be doomforts of goodness can also be an easy way for Human attackers to win. All you gotta know is the 'AI Control Wire,Bolts, and Test Light' know those three and you get to the core easily.

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As far as I'm aware unpowered airlocks cannot be unbolted under any circumstances.

Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.

Scott wrote:I ain't even rogue.

Are you Scottzar or something? that's some level of game that is rarely seen.

Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.

Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?

Violaceus wrote:

Erbbu wrote:

Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.

Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?

Airlocks already cost much more energy than anything else.

What should be removed is the possibility to build stacks of airlocks in one tile.

You mean this?

https://github.com/tgstation/-tg-station/issues/5809

Erbbu wrote:

Cipher3 wrote:Airlocks are ridiculous and probably always have been. Honestly deserving some sort of nerf, considering that when making defenses DOORS are better than reinforced walls.

Agreed. Make unpowered bolted doors unboltable and remove door creating from borg RCDs, maybe?

Door creation has a non-nefarious use though. You're suggesting throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.

Erbbu wrote:Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.

Their ability to place an airlock frame doesn't do much when they can't place or set airlock control boards.

cedarbridge wrote:

Erbbu wrote:Yeah but then the borg can just manually make a door. Not like they use that feature much anyway outside of AI defense.

Their ability to place an airlock frame doesn't do much when they can't place or set airlock control boards.

They are just going to have the AI bolt them and turn off the lights anyway, doesn't matter to them.

No. Airlock construction is good.

if you think doors are too effective at blocking entry you should just rework walls so that they're reasonably more effective, or doors be less effective. removing borg RCD door creation is both unnecessary and also probably would be annoying to rework, you'd probably need a new type of RCD that only borgs can have etc.

RG4 wrote:

cedarbridge wrote:And a clown with a loaded RCD could have moonwalked through all of it in 30 seconds.

1 miner with tier 0-1 gibonite can cause a lot of problems, that boom will knock on a turret and several walls, then place the second and dead AI.

Where would you store the gibtonite anyway? That shit is huge.

You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.

Saegrimr wrote:You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.

What would produce tier 0 gibtonite anyway? Stopping it at the very last second?

Saegrimr wrote:You carry it with your hands like a big boy, and drag the other.

You can't drag Gibtonite.

mikecari wrote:What would produce tier 0 gibtonite anyway? Stopping it at the very last second?

Yes.

Thermite can go through rwalls which is bull shit

calzilla1 wrote:Thermite can go through rwalls which is bull shit

Hahahahahhahahahaaaaas

Used to be 1u of thermite would burn through anything.

forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Never nerd

For real though? The best defense is to not be in there. Have a borg smuggle you out and hide you somewhere. Reinforce AI satellite as normal. Laugh as they break into your core with 40 seconds on the clock only to realize they've been had.

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

MimicFaux wrote:For real though? The best defense is to not be in there. Have a borg smuggle you out and hide you somewhere. Reinforce AI satellite as normal. Laugh as they break into your core with 40 seconds on the clock only to realize they've been had.

Yeah this is probably the best tactic, though normally of Z level is best its pretty hard to achieve (also not sure if that counts as failure?).
Can people still use pinpointers for non shunted AI's? I can't actually remember.

If you have no borgs, and you don't have any laws coercing you to protect Humans - you can use the foam dispenser to keep most people at bay. Though magboots and no-slips won't make them fall over.
Flashes will blind anyone not wearing eye protection or a space suit that gives flash protection. The EVA spacesuit and Emergency Spacesuit do not give flash protection as I recall.

Borgs can also move turrets around by unwrenching them so it is possible to alter the configuration and surprise someone.

Put a securitron in front of your core on detain mode with the safeties off and they'll keep those guys with chamo projectors/dual e-swords at bay.

If you know intruders have metal foam grenades, you can disable gravity to prevent the foam from encompassing the floor, but your foam dispensers will be heavily nerfed by it. Foam doesn't do well in no-grav.

There's also the old borg standby of just putting doors, walls and windows all over your core. Glass airlocks are the favourite as lasers can still shoot through them, on Meta I put a bunch of glass airlocks around the SMES to stop metal foam grenades being tossed in while still leaving the turrets able to shoot.

peoplearestrange wrote:

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business

ayyy i remember this thread

Wyzack wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business[/quote]
fucking necro hatin' furfags

calzilla1 wrote:

Wyzack wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business

fucking necro hatin' furfags[/quote]

Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral!

peoplearestrange wrote:

calzilla1 wrote:

Wyzack wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business

fucking necro hatin' furfags

Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral![/quote]
At least im not rock bottom like some people here

What the fuck is that post

calzilla1 wrote: At least im not rock bottom like some people here

Good come back. I wonder how I'll retort?
Lets take to the shed! (So I don't have to approve each of your posts whilst you're on moderator approval.)

calzilla1 wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

calzilla1 wrote:

calzilla1 wrote:

Wyzack wrote:

peoplearestrange wrote:

Wyzack wrote:forumban calzilla for his necro rampage when

Done. Will put on mod approval when they return. Play stupid games... etc

fartzilla1 wrote:

I cannot think of a single thing i have read on these forums that has made me laugh harder than this. Based PAS taking care of fucking business

fucking necro hatin' furfags

calzilla1 wrote:

Can't even quote properly. Remember folks you were here live when calzilla1 entered their downward spiral![/quote]
At least im not rock bottom like some people here[/quote]
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calzilla1 wrote:

calzilla1 wrote:

hitler wrote:
Seems you guys are having trouble with the quotes so I fixed it for you