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Steelpoint wrote:Nonetheless I still believe that removing Revolution from the rotation would be a net positive for Security.

Although I doubt anything will ever make Security a somewhat more popular role.

Steelpoint wrote:Nonetheless I still believe that removing Revolution from the rotation would be a net positive for Security.

Although I doubt anything will ever make Security a somewhat more popular role.

Steelpoint wrote:Nonetheless I still believe that removing Revolution from the rotation would be a net positive for Security.

Although I doubt anything will ever make Security a somewhat more popular role.

BeeSting12 wrote:Revolution is the best conversion type and above wizard imo. This is coming from Edward "I joined security to kill people" Sloan though so take it with a grain of salt.

The best part about it is that it doesn't have a bunch of confusing game mechanics. Both cults suffered/suffer from this problem. We regularly got ahelps about clock cult's confusing mechanics- it was basically a game within ss13 everyone had to learn. Blood cult is the same but at least it happens onstation.

Personally I just find that struggle to survive fun. Not knowing who you can trust unless they have the blinky blue light. etc. I wouldn't want it every round but I still enjoy it when it comes up

>You play aggressive, don't let people slide on things, and you end up getting people mad at you and OOC whines about how shitty you were.
What's the disadvantage? :^)

Just L wrote:My only issue with playing sec is that you definitely get more people ahelping against you, usually because they are mad that they got robusted and executed and the sec player didn't feel like letting a greyshit back into the round after a 'hilarious prank' like breaking all the cell windows or letting out water vapor in the brig hall.

PKPenguin321 wrote:i gotta say the dramatic title of this thread makes me cringe every time i read it

wesoda25 wrote:Petition to ban all sec mains who get their kicks out of permaing as many people as soon as possible and then call themselves robust.

Officers who talk with me verb are preferable.

PKPenguin321 wrote:i gotta say the dramatic title of this thread makes me cringe every time i read it

Nilons wrote:

wesoda25 wrote:Petition to ban all sec mains who get their kicks out of permaing as many people as soon as possible and then call themselves robust.

Officers who talk with me verb are preferable.

>He uses perma

The real trick is letting them off when you could perma them then spacing them if they act up again

Lumbermancer wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i gotta say the dramatic title of this thread makes me cringe every time i read it

Why though? It's pretty fitting and descriptive.

You told me to play on Sybil, but it's not much different, except with less players. And there's still people like Jasper Schmidt who make spear, and start fucking shit up, breaking ,stealing, stirring shit the moment round starts. And there's no security but Warden, so Captain has to run around playing Capcurity. And then I'm gonna get note again, or job ban on AI for playing robocop, because I refuse to let people trash the round just because they can.

But hey, at least there's "economy" now.

Lumbermancer wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:i gotta say the dramatic title of this thread makes me cringe every time i read it

Why though? It's pretty fitting and descriptive.

wesoda25 wrote: Believe it or not, there IS a game without security. I know, mind boggling right? Who could have thought you can enjoy the round on your own or with friends, and just tune people you dislike out? I mean I’m really glad you made this thread, it opened my eyes to some things too! I mean, before this I never realized that the station doesn’t have to be 100% perfect 100% of the time, and that you can mind your own business instead of trying to stop everything you dislike!

Thank you Lumber, this thread has made me a better person.

Kangtut wrote:How has no one brought up that sec can be just as bad if not worse than the typical tider? Fucking hell some rounds I demote and gulag more officers than I do assistants. There are more than just constant tiding that turns off sec mains. I know I don't play it as often because 7/10 times I'm fighting my own team as much as I am tiders or antags, and even more round the antags are more reasonable and likable than the average person that ends up in the brig. Plenty of games have run fine without sec because people are more than capable of policing themselves.

wesoda25 wrote:I was telling Lumber theres more to the game than having a clean, healthy, roleplaying station/crew.

Kangtut wrote:How has no one brought up that sec can be just as bad if not worse than the typical tider? Fucking hell some rounds I demote and gulag more officers than I do assistants. There are more than just constant tiding that turns off sec mains. I know I don't play it as often because 7/10 times I'm fighting my own team as much as I am tiders or antags, and even more round the antags are more reasonable and likable than the average person that ends up in the brig. Plenty of games have run fine without sec because people are more than capable of policing themselves.

Lumbermancer wrote: Yet again you're misrepresenting what i'm saying. My favorite game mode is extended, specifically because it's unpredictable and chaotic. Because antags are born and die naturally though the conflict. What I don't like are individuals whose sole purpose is to wreck and destroy, being as un-clean, un-healthy and un-roleplaying as possible. Every round. So don't give me this "ignore people" and "station/crew". 99% of people are just fine. 99% of people are not greytide. Most of assistants are not greytide.

Also, my personal inconvenience is not a problem here. But you probably wouldn't understand that.

Just L wrote:>Everything that Ryan Cobb has said
The guy that got banned for self-antagging is saying sec shouldn't be in the game. Now that is hilarious.

Just L wrote:Ryan, you do nothing but trying to grief on the majority of your rounds.

Just L wrote:Why would I want you to get banned? You complain in the most hilarious ways when you get busted, usually in an ock ick manner. Like that one time you walled off the brig and bridge at round start as an antag and then immediately disconnected after you were caught.

Steelpoint wrote:Nonetheless I still believe that removing Revolution from the rotation would be a net positive for Security.

Although I doubt anything will ever make Security a somewhat more popular role.

Lumbermancer wrote:I'm not even security main anymore according to /playtime, but I'll bite.

In my opinion, from the perspective of a security officer, the station life should look like 50% civilians doing civilian stuff, 25% antags doing sneaky shit behind the curtains and 25% assistants not assisting but doing whatever.
But right now it's more like 25% civilians doing civilian stuff, 25% antags doing sneaky stuff behind the curtains and 50% assistants not assisting but breaking shit. That is until antags decide to murderbone, then it goes to 15% civilians, 50% antags, and 35% grey tide.

Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't want to remove assistants, I don't want to ban greytiders. My problem is that greytide takes way too much of the round. It's like for certain group of people, assistant mains, the game is not about doing jobs, interacting with other departments, light rp'ing. And this was always the case but It never bothered me so until recently.

And I can hear you already typing furiously "DO NOT TELL OTHERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME". Well, I don't. That's why I don't really play sec that much anymore. Things I enjoyed the most about sec got brushed aside to make way for wanton grief, clown cars, and station exploding.

And I can hear you already typing furiously "THEN WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM". Well, I think all this negatively impacts how the round flows, not for me, but in general, for everyone who is not a greytide or an antag.

And I don't need security, I know the basics of CQC, I can just put people to sleep and toss them outside.

Gamarr wrote:Just fucking remove assistants already.
I want to hear why they're so goddamn tied to the games identity and mechanics that tg13 could not exist without the shitty little greybacks, and why there is some inability of the leadership to do even simple shit like keep Assistant maintenance access removed.

This has been a long time problem and this is just another convo about the same damn bullshit that revolves around a shallow pool, a heavy portion of each round being useless fucking shitlers, and how several mechanics of the game (too long to fucking list here) make dealing with them overall untenable to the point there's no captain and security often enough and the players IC response now is to just keep doing whatever in a round since you 'just know one of those assistants is stealing the all access ID, handing out freebies at immigration checkpoint in arrivals, and tying up/killing the one sec officer you got.'

Oh, and if we lose players who fuck off elsewhere because they can't play assistant anymore? We're not losing much unless this is what you Want the server to be like.