80+ admins yet there arent enough for 2/3 of the day
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:20 am
either demote these trainermins for recluiting more americans or start giving australians admin privileges
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Except the issue that happened early this morning. There were two griefers on Bagil, one by the name of Smeggy Crumbles, and one Abraham something. Smeggy plasmaflooded and n2o flooded as non-antag, then tried to kill the warden. Abraham just BOH bombs the brig out of nowhere. For about an hour and a half, I ping supportmins on discord, despite quite a few being active and online in a non-busy/non-away status, and talking in various channels, none respond to the call for help on bagil. So I get other people to try and ping supportmins, still nothing. DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours. I feel if people have the supportmin role, they need to accept the responsibility behind it, and get online when pinged if they're online or lose the role entirely, otherwise actual griefing can go unpunished because they 'didn't feel like responding'.TehSteveo wrote: If something happens, just let it happen and embrace the chaos of the game. If something consistently bad happens such as someone who consistently breaks the rules and griefs then Ahelp it, ping people on Discord with the round ID, and if you have to PM the admins on the forums as someone will take their time to investigate logs.
Just because you're able to use discord doesn't mean you can get to a computer and log in to space station.TheMythicGhost wrote:Stuff
Sick bants, but the supportmins in question were not on mobile.Nabski wrote:Just because you're able to use discord doesn't mean you can get to a computer and log in to space station.TheMythicGhost wrote:Stuff
Just because they're on Discord doesn't mean they're home or available to log into a game. Many are at work, classes, or just not near a computer but are on mobile. Even if they are at a computer doesn't mean they can or are held to immediately log on. The whole entitlement for demanding an admin is ridiculous.TheMythicGhost wrote:Except the issue that happened early this morning. There were two griefers on Bagil, one by the name of Smeggy Crumbles, and one Abraham something. Smeggy plasmaflooded and n2o flooded as non-antag, then tried to kill the warden. Abraham just BOH bombs the brig out of nowhere. For about an hour and a half, I ping supportmins on discord, despite quite a few being active and online in a non-busy/non-away status, and talking in various channels, none respond to the call for help on bagil. So I get other people to try and ping supportmins, still nothing. DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours. I feel if people have the supportmin role, they need to accept the responsibility behind it, and get online when pinged if they're online or lose the role entirely, otherwise actual griefing can go unpunished because they 'didn't feel like responding'.TehSteveo wrote: If something happens, just let it happen and embrace the chaos of the game. If something consistently bad happens such as someone who consistently breaks the rules and griefs then Ahelp it, ping people on Discord with the round ID, and if you have to PM the admins on the forums as someone will take their time to investigate logs.
Edit: The point of this is that it's not that there aren't admins on around these times, it's that there is, but none seem to want to administrate despite that being the exact reason they're admins.
Steveo, you forgot that part.TehSteveo wrote:DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours.
I read that and It's speculation on their part as they're assuming it went down as it can quite well be Statbus having a fit.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Steveo, you forgot that part.TehSteveo wrote:DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours.
If Mythic does remember the id then that would be nice since maybe, just maybe, the logs are still saved otherwise someone is just gonna have to search through all the logs until they find the right round. This assumes that the logs even exist.
Assuming the logs are saved serverside, 104948 is the round. The point still stands though.TehSteveo wrote:I read that and It's speculation on their part as they're assuming it went down as it can quite well be Statbus having a fit.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Steveo, you forgot that part.TehSteveo wrote:DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours.
If Mythic does remember the id then that would be nice since maybe, just maybe, the logs are still saved otherwise someone is just gonna have to search through all the logs until they find the right round. This assumes that the logs even exist.
We still have the logs internally with admin tools and the parsed logs. If they looked at the round ID in the status bar then it saves us time rather than, "Well it happened in the weeee hours of the morning of this day." Doesn't help matters.
So go make that thread.TheMythicGhost wrote:Assuming the logs are saved serverside, 104948 is the round. The point still stands though.TehSteveo wrote:I read that and It's speculation on their part as they're assuming it went down as it can quite well be Statbus having a fit.Ayy Lemoh wrote:Steveo, you forgot that part.TehSteveo wrote:DB apparently goes down during this round, so once the round finally ends about an hour and 45 minutes in, no log is saved on atlanta-ned's statbus. The griefing goes completely unpunished, and likely will happen again sometime during these 'dead-zone' hours.
If Mythic does remember the id then that would be nice since maybe, just maybe, the logs are still saved otherwise someone is just gonna have to search through all the logs until they find the right round. This assumes that the logs even exist.
We still have the logs internally with admin tools and the parsed logs. If they looked at the round ID in the status bar then it saves us time rather than, "Well it happened in the weeee hours of the morning of this day." Doesn't help matters.
Edit: As a side note, I get people have personal lives and have matters to attend to in real life, but actually being available (not on mobile, not away, not busy, and not offline) and talking on different channels in the same discord while ignoring the ping to the supportmin role, while being supportmin is the issue here, perhaps worthy of a separate policy discussion.
The Supportmin role has no additional benefits to the admins who take it. Additionally, Supportmins are not hired from within the admins, it's something you opt into to help when pinged. Comparing the two (admins and hospital volunteers) is a bit disingenuous because, as a volunteer, you are being called specifically by your boss. Whereas with admins you are being called in by the community in a general and broad way, which is to say it's up to you to pick up the phone.TheMythicGhost wrote:I feel if people have the supportmin role, they need to accept the responsibility behind it.
Supportmins should do things =/= GIMME THE TRAITOR ANTAG TOKEN SO I CAN BE TRAITOR IN THE MIDDLE OF REVSNabski wrote:"What additional requirements for the opt-in support ping for the volunteer job should be required"
It'll be right up there with the "give me a antag token when the server crashes" thread.
i legitimately do not understand how can you even dare to compare being an admin in a game to being a volunteer for a hospitalTheMythicGhost wrote:So here's the issue with being actually active, and having the job as a volunteer support role. Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer for a hospital, and someone calls me in because of something or another, and instead of reporting in, I ignore it to play fortnite, apex, sekiro, etc?
Semantics. I could have said any other volunteer role and you would have picked it apart all the same. The context is similar, just worded poorly.wubli wrote:i legitimately do not understand how can you even dare to compare being an admin in a game to being a volunteer for a hospitalTheMythicGhost wrote:So here's the issue with being actually active, and having the job as a volunteer support role. Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer for a hospital, and someone calls me in because of something or another, and instead of reporting in, I ignore it to play fortnite, apex, sekiro, etc?
The difference in just being random cry wolf calls here is that it was not only I requesting supportmins to the server the exact round this occurred, and it isn't the first time in the last six months I've seen this occur. The graveyard hours tend to be grief central, and when an admin finally does arrive, they berate the player for not pinging them sooner (as has happened in the past), or simply don't respond to the support request at all. If they don't respond within the round, and berate the player for the situation when they arrive later on, what is the point in a supportmin role?Nalzul wrote:The Supportmin role has no additional benefits to the admins who take it. Additionally, Supportmins are not hired from within the admins, it's something you opt into to help when pinged. Comparing the two (admins and hospital volunteers) is a bit disingenuous because, as a volunteer, you are being called specifically by your boss. Whereas with admins you are being called in by the community in a general and broad way, which is to say it's up to you to pick up the phone.TheMythicGhost wrote:I feel if people have the supportmin role, they need to accept the responsibility behind it.
Not saying it's not, Subject. I'm saying, the Supportmin tag should only exist on those that will actively answer support requests if they are available. It's not a stigma or shame to opt-out if you don't feel like having it, but if it exists, it should be at least to a degree reliable. I'm not wrong for suggesting that, am I?subject217 wrote:ill explain this very simply respii
this is a video game and it is not real life. we do not have the obligation, need, desire, or the ability to actually organize and plan admin coverage 24/7 for the server. this is not like volunteer work in real life. this is a video game.
context is important. like subject said, this is a videogame. i've brought in a lot of new admins and i'm constantly trying to bring more. i cannot force them at gunpoint and i appreciate what they do.TheMythicGhost wrote:Semantics. I could have said any other volunteer role and you would have picked it apart all the same. The context is similar, just worded poorly.wubli wrote:i legitimately do not understand how can you even dare to compare being an admin in a game to being a volunteer for a hospitalTheMythicGhost wrote:So here's the issue with being actually active, and having the job as a volunteer support role. Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer for a hospital, and someone calls me in because of something or another, and instead of reporting in, I ignore it to play fortnite, apex, sekiro, etc?
Are you really high or did you honestly compare being an admin for a 2D clown punching simulator to volunteering at a hospotalTheMythicGhost wrote:Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer for a hospital
I love how people are cherrypicking that instead of the argument.Denton wrote:Are you really high or did you honestly compare being an admin for a 2D clown punching simulator to volunteering at a hospotalTheMythicGhost wrote:Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer for a hospital
The Supportmin tag exists for admins who generally want to try and make themselves more available for players to ping when there is a problem. People ping the role and they all hear it and depending on their circumstances they might go and handle it. If we had actual requirements to answer supportmin pings whenever these people were online with the tag no one would want to take it, people admin on their own terms because they are all volunteers for a video game. Efforts are made to improve coverage but admin hours will always be on the individual admins terms.TheMythicGhost wrote:I'm saying, the Supportmin tag should only exist on those that will actively answer support requests if they are available
i removed the offending part of your postTheMythicGhost wrote:So here's the issue with being actually active, and having the job as a volunteer support role. Imagine I signed up to work as a volunteer, and someone calls me in because of something or another, and instead of reporting in, I ignore it to play fortnite, apex, sekiro, etc? The main issue here is that it undermines the public trust in the administration because the one role meant for support requests is going ignored by the people inside of it (actually inactive supportmins excluded from this). If the people don't feel like being a supportmin, and the responsibility it does entail, then perhaps opt-out, and talk about recruiting more. Accountability is something that should be addressed, but again it's a complex topic here because life is unexpected, and not all supportmins are at fault here.
Then on 1/4/19 you'll be banned for metagrudging, metacomms and probably whatever other rule infractions you incur along the way.Tlaltecuhtli wrote:i give you a death line admin team, after 1/4/19 i ll organize anti grief squads and solve problems icly
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I'm pretty sure that was a joke, Arianya. Not him legitimately saying that he's going to get the boys back together, hand them guns at roundstart, and start mowing down that shitbag griefer plus his posse who bullied him back at space highschoolArianya wrote:Then on 1/4/19 you'll be banned for metagrudging, metacomms and probably whatever other rule infractions you incur along the way.
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This isn't the reason though, it's a bias you've perceived. There are not enough australian players who are suitable to be admins. That's all there is to it. Otherwise I would jump at the chance to fill the most empty time slot.oranges wrote:karp with all due respect we have never had enough aussie mins, because the majority of the admin team lives in the states and only hires people they know
biassubject217 wrote:This isn't the reason though, it's a bias you've perceived. There are not enough australian players who are suitable to be admins. That's all there is to it. Otherwise I would jump at the chance to fill the most empty time slot.oranges wrote:karp with all due respect we have never had enough aussie mins, because the majority of the admin team lives in the states and only hires people they know
tbh i flat out don't think we have enough australians or new zealanders anyways, of the ones I know I think I can count them all on one hand and we already have two on the admin teamsubject217 wrote:This isn't the reason though, it's a bias you've perceived. There are not enough australian players who are suitable to be admins. That's all there is to it. Otherwise I would jump at the chance to fill the most empty time slot.oranges wrote:karp with all due respect we have never had enough aussie mins, because the majority of the admin team lives in the states and only hires people they know
You know as well as I do that ban request was used more as a tool for petty revenge even when there was an admin on to try to get someone punished when you disagreed with an admin ruling, it was purely full of spite and "Oh he did x which slightly crossed the line as a mistake after scrutinizing their every move for a week meaning we have to punish him!", that also ignores the fact that it forces people to make forums accounts to defend themselves or risk getting banned.elyina wrote:If only we had some kind of system to report incidents of serious grief when there aren't admins available...
even if oranges isn't actually going into detail i think he has a point hereoranges wrote:biassubject217 wrote:This isn't the reason though, it's a bias you've perceived. There are not enough australian players who are suitable to be admins. That's all there is to it. Otherwise I would jump at the chance to fill the most empty time slot.oranges wrote:karp with all due respect we have never had enough aussie mins, because the majority of the admin team lives in the states and only hires people they know
They just do, Qbopper. They just do.Qbopper wrote:even if oranges isn't actually going into detail i think he has a point here
you say there are not enough good aussies who deserve admin but if we aren't on during aussie times and don't know enough aussie players how the fuck could we possibly know that
Qbopper wrote:even if oranges isn't actually going into detail i think he has a point hereoranges wrote:biassubject217 wrote:This isn't the reason though, it's a bias you've perceived. There are not enough australian players who are suitable to be admins. That's all there is to it. Otherwise I would jump at the chance to fill the most empty time slot.oranges wrote:karp with all due respect we have never had enough aussie mins, because the majority of the admin team lives in the states and only hires people they know
you say there are not enough good aussies who deserve admin but if we aren't on during aussie times and don't know enough aussie players how the fuck could we possibly know that
I've suggested plenty of people who would be good at that timezone but even if they'd get adminned the bigger issue with admins is with their consistency: admin activity can fluctuate, schedules will change, and admins get bored and take breaks which ties into myKarp wrote:I forgot where kor said it but we've continually and consistently had an issue with a lack of administration on lowpop for 11+ years and "just get more lowpop admins" has not worked as a solution that entire time
it's not an issue we can solve with "lol just admin more people" because people will eventually get burnt out or their life schedules will move around so they cant fill the timeslot, it's just an awkward as fuck timezone to fill that's at the perfect intersection of bad time for everyone