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Hey guys, I'm writing a really quick one, a word of warning.

I didn't know what the Rod of Asclepius does.
I tried to find information on the interwebs, but nothing came up.

If you see the Rod of Asclepius, bin it. BIN IT QUICKLY! Unless you want to play a medic and you're really in for the heavy RP. Even if you use it as a medic, it will hinder your gameplay.

Here's what this magical rod does:

When you use it and stay still for a second, you'll channel for a bit, reciting the Hippocratic Oath, and when done, the staff will be stuck in your hand. Congrats! From now on, you effectively have one hand.
What does the rod do? It takes away one of your hands, you cannot drop it, and when you have the same hand removed that is holding it, it just doesn't get removed. You can't drop it, and it'll re-equip itself on the missing hand slot. Even if you get a cyborg arm, it will conveniently wait for you so you can grab it back.
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.
Did I mention that the staff makes you a pacifist? Yep! Enjoy not being able to perform over half of the jobs on the station because you're now too afraid that you may harm someone or something. That includes surgery, mining, being any kind of member of security (HoS, warden, sec, detective, etc), and so on.

And what's the benefit?
Congratulations, now you have a permanent health hud installed. Oh, and a status effect that says that there's a peaceful and healing aura about you.

Enjoy the gimp!


P.S: I do believe that the RoA being permanently stuck on you or not dropping when your hand gets removed is a bug.

it's not a bug, and it heals people around you

lol newfriend complaining on the forums

yeah it heals all kinds of damage including clone damage of all people around you including yourself at the cost of being pacifist

if you REALLY wanted to drop it, just get killed and cloned

why not just have someone amputate your armola

PKPenguin321 wrote:

Rude.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:why not just have someone amputate your armola

Tried. Didn't work.

lmwevil wrote:lol newfriend complaining on the forums

Not so much complaining as to making a PSA of a vague item that has no wiki page.

lmwevil wrote:yeah it heals all kinds of damage including clone damage of all people around you including yourself at the cost of being pacifist

I thought it was just flavor text and that it didn't actually heal anything. Didn't have the time or luxury to experiment with it either way.

lmwevil wrote:if you REALLY wanted to drop it, just get killed and cloned

Didn't think of it. Tried having the arm removed and replaced with a cyborg one. That didn't fix it.

rod of asclepius DOES have a wiki page but its tucked away under the miner loot section
also something something not code diving smh

An anime catgirl pfp? We should admin this person.

did you literally make an account on the forums to write a "PSA" about something that's written in the wiki

how the fuck is it "heavy RP" anyway, all you do is stand next to people to heal them

Screemonster wrote:did you literally make an account on the forums to write a "PSA" about something that's written in the wiki

how the fuck is it "heavy RP" anyway, all you do is stand next to people to heal them

Standing within speaking distance of somebody and not immediately toolboxing them is highRP.

what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

teepeepee wrote:what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

If I remember correctly, it makes you unable to use laser cutters/proto-kinetic accelerators. Bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe.

cedarbridge wrote:

Screemonster wrote:did you literally make an account on the forums to write a "PSA" about something that's written in the wiki

how the fuck is it "heavy RP" anyway, all you do is stand next to people to heal them

Standing within speaking distance of somebody and not immediately toolboxing them is highRP.

sad

Current year: “bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe” not even resonator is mentioned
Lavaland was a mistake and still is

FloranOtten wrote:

teepeepee wrote:what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

If I remember correctly, it makes you unable to use laser cutters/proto-kinetic accelerators. Bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe.

mining was done with a pickaxe for years

FloranOtten wrote:If I remember correctly, it makes you unable to use laser cutters/proto-kinetic accelerators. Bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe.

people in gulag do it just fine

Screemonster wrote:did you literally make an account on the forums to write a "PSA" about something that's written in the wiki

how the fuck is it "heavy RP" anyway, all you do is stand next to people to heal them

Not really, I tried to look it up on Google, got no results. Presumed it doesn't exist as information, so I had to pull it out of github.
And... irrelevant? Are you implying I'm not allowed to make accounts to post on the forum?
I didn't notice it had a real healing aura, I presumed it was flavor text.

teepeepee wrote:what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

Would probably make you too afraid to use surgery tools because technically you're doing harm when cutting etc.

Hello newfriend I see you have found one of the niche lavaland artifacts, it really helps to examine and take every word seriously.
That said, the staff is robust as fuck. There are still methods to robust people as a pacifist and the healing is on par with a cursed heart if not better as it heals you while in crit, combined with some armour and brains the only possible forms of death are instant gibs.

bandit wrote:

FloranOtten wrote:

teepeepee wrote:what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

If I remember correctly, it makes you unable to use laser cutters/proto-kinetic accelerators. Bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe.

mining was done with a pickaxe for years

On an asteroid.
Where nobody ever found your body.

cedarbridge wrote:

bandit wrote:

FloranOtten wrote:

teepeepee wrote:what do you mean you can't do surgery while being a pacifist? is that a recent change or are you bullshitting? like when you imply you can't just ignore monsters to mine or stun+cuff on help intent, which is 99% of sec gameplay

If I remember correctly, it makes you unable to use laser cutters/proto-kinetic accelerators. Bit shit to have to mine with a pickaxe.

mining was done with a pickaxe for years

On an asteroid.
Where nobody ever found your body.

Are you implying people are retrieved from lavaland oftenly ?
Atleast now mining is a fun job and not just autism UI button clicking like pretty much every other department.
But let's not derail this thread before it ends up in the hut where it belongs to be fair.

Were you the miner that came into Robo the other day? L.U.B.E. told you that thing was probably trouble.

is this thread bait?

Okay so uh, the Rod does a bit more than just lock itself to your arm and make you a pacifist, and is actually very likely the single strongest item you can find from a lavaland tendril chest.

Being a CMO main who takes the pacifist quirk voluntarily, the greatest thing a miner can provide me with is a Rod of Asclepius. If you are already a pacifist, it provides only the one minor negative effect of costing you the loss of an arm - which is something at least you're opting in for, and can be reversed as easily as having the arm amputated surgically or more violently if desired/required.

Minor? Yessir, any player with a modicum of robustness can perform just as well with a single hand, as this is often a situation forced on us involuntarily by traitors, explosions, or angry limb-hungry monsters. It's an inconvenience, certainly, but something anyone who'd take the Rod should be capable of managing and working just fine around. But what's the payoff for it?

As some have already said here, the Rod provides a constant, uninterrupted supply of all-damage-type rapid healing to both yourself and everyone in your line of sight. The value of this power cannot be overstated - I've done extensive testing with the Rod, and while it's not enough to save myself from a high dose of coniine, the healing can neutralize cyanide and entirely cancel out all space damage. That's right, the Rod of Asclepius heals you so quickly of brute, burn, and suffocation damage that you become 100% spaceworthy without any form of suit or internals. This same effect is also provided to everyone you can see.

So how do we powergame the hell out of this incredible healing ability? That's easy! Head over to the Medbay protolathe, print yourself a pair of x-ray eyes and nightvision goggles, have a doctor slide those eyes into your face, and pop the goggles on. Tada, you are now providing spaceworthy-levels of healing to literally every single person on your entire screen at all times. Combine this with a Stabilized (blue dominant) light pink slime extract and it becomes virtually impossible, absent suicide or instant gibbing, for anybody on your screen to ever die. If, by some impossible stroke of luck, the DNA vault also happens to be completed and you get the genetic enhancement of increased vision range... I think you see where this is going.

There is a single caveat to this incredibly powerful and possibly even broken combination, and it's that the healing doesn't discriminate. It will continue healing xenomorphs, blob cores, space dragons, traitors, changelings, and any other hostiles you might rather stay dead so long as you have vision on the subject. This being the case, it's far better if you take the pacifism it forces on you seriously - your job while wielding the Rod is not to be near the enemies you want to die, but behind your friendlies providing them with rapid uninterrupted healing while they kill whatever you don't want to keep alive.

Hopefully I've helped convince you that this wonderful item is far from a negative addition to anyone lucky enough to get their hands on it, and the next time a miner happens to donate one you'll put it to proper use!

wow ispiria, that sounds like a great reason to remove the rod from mining, considering it's so powerful it effectively nullifies an entire department because one miner knew how to click on a tendril until it died

There is currently a bug with the binoculars that allows you to move after using them while retaining the extreme vision. Following what Inspiria was saying, using this and x-ray vision, you can render half the station unable to die with the rod while retaining full movement.

Very cool.

Ispiria wrote:Okay so uh, the Rod does a bit more than just lock itself to your arm and make you a pacifist, and is actually very likely the single strongest item you can find from a lavaland tendril chest.

Being a CMO main who takes the pacifist quirk voluntarily, the greatest thing a miner can provide me with is a Rod of Asclepius. If you are already a pacifist, it provides only the one minor negative effect of costing you the loss of an arm - which is something at least you're opting in for, and can be reversed as easily as having the arm amputated surgically or more violently if desired/required.

Minor? Yessir, any player with a modicum of robustness can perform just as well with a single hand, as this is often a situation forced on us involuntarily by traitors, explosions, or angry limb-hungry monsters. It's an inconvenience, certainly, but something anyone who'd take the Rod should be capable of managing and working just fine around. But what's the payoff for it?

As some have already said here, the Rod provides a constant, uninterrupted supply of all-damage-type rapid healing to both yourself and everyone in your line of sight. The value of this power cannot be overstated - I've done extensive testing with the Rod, and while it's not enough to save myself from a high dose of coniine, the healing can neutralize cyanide and entirely cancel out all space damage. That's right, the Rod of Asclepius heals you so quickly of brute, burn, and suffocation damage that you become 100% spaceworthy without any form of suit or internals. This same effect is also provided to everyone you can see.

So how do we powergame the hell out of this incredible healing ability? That's easy! Head over to the Medbay protolathe, print yourself a pair of x-ray eyes and nightvision goggles, have a doctor slide those eyes into your face, and pop the goggles on. Tada, you are now providing spaceworthy-levels of healing to literally every single person on your entire screen at all times. Combine this with a Stabilized (blue dominant) light pink slime extract and it becomes virtually impossible, absent suicide or instant gibbing, for anybody on your screen to ever die. If, by some impossible stroke of luck, the DNA vault also happens to be completed and you get the genetic enhancement of increased vision range... I think you see where this is going.

There is a single caveat to this incredibly powerful and possibly even broken combination, and it's that the healing doesn't discriminate. It will continue healing xenomorphs, blob cores, space dragons, traitors, changelings, and any other hostiles you might rather stay dead so long as you have vision on the subject. This being the case, it's far better if you take the pacifism it forces on you seriously - your job while wielding the Rod is not to be near the enemies you want to die, but behind your friendlies providing them with rapid uninterrupted healing while they kill whatever you don't want to keep alive.

Hopefully I've helped convince you that this wonderful item is far from a negative addition to anyone lucky enough to get their hands on it, and the next time a miner happens to donate one you'll put it to proper use!

Hey man, I appreciate the long and well-thought out comment.
As far as my initial comment was, I'm a newbie and I had no idea what it did. I had absolutely no idea that the item would render me useless as far as mining is considered.

If you are already a pacifist, it provides only the one minor negative effect of costing you the loss of an arm - which is something at least you're opting in for, and can be reversed as easily as having the arm amputated surgically or more violently if desired/required.

Just so you know, I did try to have my arm surgically removed. The rod stuck onto a slot for a missing limb. I even tried to press the drop button, it (maybe?) dropped and automatically re-equipped itself in less than half a second. I tried doing this once my borg arm was fit, it wouldn't let me drop it, at all.

Everything else considered, perhaps the idea of this topic was to 'not pick up the RoA unless you know exactly what you're doing'. And I feel like some of the commenters on this thread are too harsh, all things considered. I did state I'm new and not the most knowledgeable but I shared my personal experiences with this item.

Canela wrote:I had absolutely no idea that the item would render me useless as far as mining is considered.

But you can hold a plasmacutter in your other hand and still have a holding satchel in your ass pocket / drag a box
You don't even need to worry about your health as long as you don't run into Megafauna, pretty based tbh

terranaut wrote:

Canela wrote:I had absolutely no idea that the item would render me useless as far as mining is considered.

But you can hold a plasmacutter in your other hand and still have a holding satchel in your ass pocket / drag a box
You don't even need to worry about your health as long as you don't run into Megafauna, pretty based tbh

Yes, I could hold a plasmacutter but every time I tried to shoot it, I got a flavour text telling me how I couldn't do it, because I'm a pacifist. Yes, I checked and confirmed I was on help intent.

In my opinion the RoA is useful but not broken. Losing a limb is a pain but not the end of the world, and being a pacifist is a pretty big deal (especially for a miner, who can't use a pka/plasma cutter) to the extent that you have to change your playstyle for the rest of the round. This is a big deal to most players, especially given that the staff is obtained by playing Monster Hunter.

There is a clear deliberate trade-off when you use the RoA, just as with the cursed heart. If you don't want to use it that's fair enough but that doesn't mean it is bad or broken. With that said, if it can't be removed even via amputation, that should probably be changed. It could probably benefit from a bit of flavourtext on amputation, saying that the snake becomes dormant again as the staff is cut from your body, and that you no longer emit the same aura. This would help any new-friends that use the staff without checking what it does first.

P.S - The staff works pretty well in conjunction with the greed ruin, as it's one of the few things that will heal cellular damage.

CrazyClown12 wrote:In my opinion the RoA is useful but not broken. Losing a limb is a pain but not the end of the world, and being a pacifist is a pretty big deal (especially for a miner, who can't use a pka/plasma cutter) to the extent that you have to change your playstyle for the rest of the round. This is a big deal to most players, especially given that the staff is obtained by playing Monster Hunter.

There is a clear deliberate trade-off when you use the RoA, just as with the cursed heart. If you don't want to use it that's fair enough but that doesn't mean it is bad or broken. With that said, if it can't be removed even via amputation, that should probably be changed. It could probably benefit from a bit of flavourtext on amputation, saying that the snake becomes dormant again as the staff is cut from your body, and that you no longer emit the same aura. This would help any new-friends that use the staff without checking what it does first.

P.S - The staff works pretty well in conjunction with the greed ruin, as it's one of the few things that will heal cellular damage.

If it could be amputated you would now be slain by anyone with a sharp object targetting the right arm...
The point is you dont get rid of it, you stood still for 10 seconds channeling an oath about never hurting someone again and helping the people...
As last resort you could still ask someone to crit you, succumb and get cloned.

Canela wrote:

terranaut wrote:

Canela wrote:I had absolutely no idea that the item would render me useless as far as mining is considered.

But you can hold a plasmacutter in your other hand and still have a holding satchel in your ass pocket / drag a box
You don't even need to worry about your health as long as you don't run into Megafauna, pretty based tbh

Yes, I could hold a plasmacutter but every time I tried to shoot it, I got a flavour text telling me how I couldn't do it, because I'm a pacifist. Yes, I checked and confirmed I was on help intent.

oh epic

well i look forward to hearing about your prides mirror report when you find it next time you're on lavaland!

Daxxed wrote:

CrazyClown12 wrote:In my opinion the RoA is useful but not broken. Losing a limb is a pain but not the end of the world, and being a pacifist is a pretty big deal (especially for a miner, who can't use a pka/plasma cutter) to the extent that you have to change your playstyle for the rest of the round. This is a big deal to most players, especially given that the staff is obtained by playing Monster Hunter.

There is a clear deliberate trade-off when you use the RoA, just as with the cursed heart. If you don't want to use it that's fair enough but that doesn't mean it is bad or broken. With that said, if it can't be removed even via amputation, that should probably be changed. It could probably benefit from a bit of flavourtext on amputation, saying that the snake becomes dormant again as the staff is cut from your body, and that you no longer emit the same aura. This would help any new-friends that use the staff without checking what it does first.

P.S - The staff works pretty well in conjunction with the greed ruin, as it's one of the few things that will heal cellular damage.

If it could be amputated you would now be slain by anyone with a sharp object targetting the right arm...
The point is you dont get rid of it, you stood still for 10 seconds channeling an oath about never hurting someone again and helping the people...
As last resort you could still ask someone to crit you, succumb and get cloned.

Which part of the oath says that you vow to never use effective mining tools again? One of the best ways to help people as a miner is to give the station a lot of materials, yet that's a lot slower without plasma cutters.

I can spend 10 seconds swearing an oath that I will never kill anyone with a hammer. If you non-ironically think that should mean I would have to quit my job as a carpenter then I think its you that doesn't get it.

CrazyClown12 wrote:Which part of the oath says that you vow to never use effective mining tools again? One of the best ways to help people as a miner is to give the station a lot of materials, yet that's a lot slower without plasma cutters.

I can spend 10 seconds swearing an oath that I will never kill anyone with a hammer. If you non-ironically think that should mean I would have to quit my job as a carpenter then I think its you that doesn't get it.

the part where this is a game and you have to account for the fact that those items can be used to bypass the restriction that "pacifism" is supposed to be

CrazyClown12 wrote:

Daxxed wrote:

CrazyClown12 wrote: I can spend 10 seconds swearing an oath that I will never kill anyone with a hammer. If you non-ironically think that should mean I would have to quit my job as a carpenter then I think its you that doesn't get it.

what if someone walked in front of you as you were swinging your hammer to make a chair or whatever and you hit them in the head and they died. what then

When you can code a way to differentiate between shooting someone directly / shooting at a thing to indirectly shoot a person / shooting at a thing that fits code standards i'll happily merge it for you!

Cobby wrote:When you can code a way to differentiate between shooting someone directly / shooting at a thing to indirectly shoot a person / shooting at a thing that fits code standards i'll happily merge it for you!

check for a player controlled mob within 7 tile radius and disable shooting if there is one and not if not
congrats you can now use plasmacutters on lavaland

Cobby wrote:When you can code a way to differentiate between shooting someone directly / shooting at a thing to indirectly shoot a person / shooting at a thing that fits code standards i'll happily merge it for you!

no i'm making fun of him for his dumb oath and how easily it could be broken, you've got the wrong end of the stick (of asclepius)

To be honest, the cutter got nerfed so hard it might as well not even count. i bet you could do more damage to someone by holding an airlock to space open.

Did you know it takes thirty shots from the mech plasma cutter to kill a goliath?

You still can chop off limbs off unarmored people though

I thought disabling cats was supposed to keep the freaks away

confused rock wrote:wow ispiria, that sounds like a great reason to remove the rod from mining, considering it's so powerful it effectively nullifies an entire department because one miner knew how to click on a tendril until it died

Mining on Lavaland is shit, it's way too loot and content heavy.

Jeez it's not that bad if you are a nonantag

Actually made me lose it.

objectively great item, mad cause bad