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HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:25 pm
by WineAllWine
Hello,
I'm a fairly new player on Terry, been for a couple of months now (since about the Ssethtide but didnt come from that). I was HoP yesterday and a Captain threatened to have me killed for my AA which has never happened before... is that something people expect? In my experience Captains have normally been happy for a HoP to have AA to help them out. Obviously in this case I followed my captains orders.
For reference this was the captain who gave a 5 paragraph mega-law to the AI then got killed by a wizard-mouse.
(I'm Christopher Illopy/ Thersa Galmier btw)
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:29 pm
by Lumbermancer
If AA HoP enters the armory he eats a laser beam.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:32 pm
by WineAllWine
well yeah without permission. I'll even just ask for some HUDglasses if theres a HoS or Warden available
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:18 pm
by Gigapuddi420
It's well known the Head of Personnel will give themselves all access, if the Captain wants to be anal about access he's not completely wrong to get on your case about it. This goes double if you enter some other departments area and you're not the acting Captain. Just because you have all access doesn't mean the CE or the HoS will appreciate you being in their department without asking. The classic gamer moment is when the HoP helps themselves to security equipment or god forbid, the armory and the warden decides to just shoot them in the face.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:29 pm
by John_Oxford
HoP's can be antagonists.
It's culturally accepted for them to have all access, it's not culturally accepted for them to take full advantage of that all access. ( entering the armory )
I've never seen a circumstance where the HOP wasn't allowed in every department, outside of them being shit to the head of the department or doing shit that they aren't supposed to or aren't wanted to.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:41 pm
by cacogen
that was just a shit captain. most people don't care and expect it. i usually forget when i'm hop though (which has consequences when it's cult or nuke ops or i have to secure the disk)
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 pm
by WineAllWine
cacogen wrote:that was just a shit captain. most people don't care and expect it. i usually forget when i'm hop though (which has consequences when it's cult or nuke ops or i have to secure the disk)
Yeah this is kind of what I assumed, like if I was fucking with the SM or toxins or armory then fair enough but I hadnt abused any access. Thank guys!
EDIT: I honestly think this was a case of a new captain having power go to his head.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:16 pm
by Lumbermancer
cacogen wrote:that was just a shit captain
You mean good captain.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:59 pm
by NikNakFlak
Just make an all access ID and then use it to give your original ID more access. Then it looks like you don't have more access according to the HUDs. If he catches you in places you shouldn't have access to. Ignore him and yeet away lol
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:07 pm
by Qbmax32
Just don’t come crying to me when you waltz into a secure area and get dumpstered. Access =/= right to be there
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:50 pm
by CPTANT
For reference this was the captain who gave a 5 paragraph mega-law to the AI then got killed by a wizard-mouse.
The wizard mouse getting killed by a cleanbot was the funniest shit ever by the way.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:08 am
by Anuv
Nothing better than pumping buckshot into HoPcurity in the armory
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:10 am
by wesoda25
Theres nothing more that I hate than HOPs who give themselves access/ play hopcurity. As HOP I don't even make myself a new ID, if I lose mine then I don't deserve to be HOP.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:34 am
by Hathkar
Just remove HoP and give his "duties" to the captain. Most HoPs are garbage, antag HoPs are even worse.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:10 am
by Shadowflame909
Hathkar is on the nose of this issue. Captains are bored chucklefucks that call the shuttle because I ded. Make the Quartermaster a head of staff and remove the HoP.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:47 am
by Boris
Qbmax32 wrote:Just don’t come crying to me when you waltz into a secure area and get dumpstered. Access =/= right to be there
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:25 pm
by Anonmare
Shadowflame909 wrote:Hathkar is on the nose of this issue. Captains are bored chucklefucks that call the shuttle because I ded. Make the Quartermaster a head of staff and remove the HoP.
I would sooner see /tg/ become a full-blown furry server with no human race whatsoever than make the QM a head of staff
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:42 pm
by MMMiracles
Anonmare wrote:Shadowflame909 wrote:Hathkar is on the nose of this issue. Captains are bored chucklefucks that call the shuttle because I ded. Make the Quartermaster a head of staff and remove the HoP.
I would sooner see /tg/ become a full-blown furry server with no human race whatsoever than make the QM a head of staff
scared?
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:45 pm
by Anonmare
MMMiracles wrote:Anonmare wrote:Shadowflame909 wrote:Hathkar is on the nose of this issue. Captains are bored chucklefucks that call the shuttle because I ded. Make the Quartermaster a head of staff and remove the HoP.
I would sooner see /tg/ become a full-blown furry server with no human race whatsoever than make the QM a head of staff
scared?
I am super spooked right now
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:39 pm
by Farquaar
Anonmare wrote:I would sooner see /tg/ become a full-blown furry server with no human race whatsoever than make the QM a head of staff
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:24 pm
by SaveVatznick
In the rare times I play jobs that can do something about it, I treat HoP's with all access the same as I see assistants with all access. Unless they've got a compelling reason for having it besides "Cmon man, this is what I play the job for, to steal all access" I take it away once any of my bosses approve.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:57 pm
by Recurracy
hops thinking they own the station should get shot
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:46 am
by Karp
NikNakFlak wrote:Just make an all access ID and then use it to give your original ID more access. Then it looks like you don't have more access according to the HUDs. If he catches you in places you shouldn't have access to. Ignore him and yeet away lol
a trick is to set your role to captain, then go to "custom" and edit the jobrole name back to your original role. The hud is based off of jobrole name and selecting captain just gives you fast all access to revert it with. It's hilarious how often you can get away with being an all access assistant/cargo tech/scientist with that trick.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:28 am
by terranaut
Karp wrote:NikNakFlak wrote:Just make an all access ID and then use it to give your original ID more access. Then it looks like you don't have more access according to the HUDs. If he catches you in places you shouldn't have access to. Ignore him and yeet away lol
a trick is to set your role to captain, then go to "custom" and edit the jobrole name back to your original role. The hud is based off of jobrole name and selecting captain just gives you fast all access to revert it with. It's hilarious how often you can get away with being an all access assistant/cargo tech/scientist with that trick.
how far have we sunk that this is a trick and not the standard way of doing it
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:44 pm
by wesoda25
It is the standard way they just phrased it weird
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:50 pm
by cedarbridge
People regularly mistake "having access" with "being welcome/allowed to enter" that same place to which they've gained access.
You can cut a copy of the key to my house, but I'm still shooting you if you invite yourself in and start looting the fridge.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:26 pm
by BeeSting12
Karp wrote:NikNakFlak wrote:Just make an all access ID and then use it to give your original ID more access. Then it looks like you don't have more access according to the HUDs. If he catches you in places you shouldn't have access to. Ignore him and yeet away lol
a trick is to set your role to captain, then go to "custom" and edit the jobrole name back to your original role. The hud is based off of jobrole name and selecting captain just gives you fast all access to revert it with. It's hilarious how often you can get away with being an all access assistant/cargo tech/scientist with that trick.
thats why i always throw assistants with suspected all access into doors to see if they have it. once i hit every door in the station i let them go.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:49 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
BeeSting12 wrote:thats why i always throw assistants with suspected all access into doors to see if they have it. once i hit every door in the station i let them go.
I'm pretty sure if they can't open the gateway then they can't open the armory. Throwing them into a door that people normally don't ask for (like curator office) seem like a really good tell without investigating each and every door.
Hell, just throw them at the armory door instead. That'll be good enough
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:10 am
by terranaut
Ayy Lemoh wrote:
Hell, just throw them at the armory door instead. That'll be good enough
*runs in and steals a riot shotgun to shoot you with*
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 pm
by peoplearestrange
Simplest explanation to any of this:
Access is NOT equal to permission. And entering anywhere without permission will have consequences, from being removed to getting a laser to the face.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:58 pm
by Chaznoodles
If you've illegally modified your ID to give yourself access to places you shouldn't have, and you wander into the Armoury while I'm warden, you'll get the good old shotgun-meatspike wombo combo. Access does not equal permission.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:28 pm
by Ayy Lemoh
terranaut wrote:Ayy Lemoh wrote:
Hell, just throw them at the armory door instead. That'll be good enough
*runs in and steals a riot shotgun to shoot you with*
Cuff 'em, obviously.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:20 pm
by cedarbridge
peoplearestrange wrote:Simplest explanation to any of this:
Access is NOT equal to permission. And entering anywhere without permission will have consequences, from being removed to getting a laser to the face.
BuT IvE Got AcCesS
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:36 am
by ThanatosRa
In my day, as an old HoP main, it was assumed that we always had all access. But we weren't rude about it. The Good HoP uses his powers for good rather than personal gain. Evil.
With all access comes great responsibility.
Or be an irredeemable jackass and sneak into the brig to loot the armory to go valid hunt.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:08 am
by Yakumo_Chen
wesoda25 wrote:Theres nothing more that I hate than HOPs who give themselves access/ play hopcurity. As HOP I don't even make myself a new ID, if I lose mine then I don't deserve to be HOP.
Take that a step further, only true HoPs never, ever leave their office out of the sheer fear that a tide of assistants angry that you had the gall to present them with "paperwork" as if this were a "roleplaying game" will be waiting outside the door to lynch them and/or steal their ID and/or murder Ian. You're head of the service department, just yell at them to bring you food and cargo crates!
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:36 am
by Calomel
I mean, isn't HoP in charge of overseeing Cargo and all of Service?
An HoP should ahve all teh acess to correctly oversee allthsoe areas (Hydroponics and such), to ensure Botany isn't making explosive melon bombs, or the cook sacrificing
half the station's living members to the gibber lord, or anything like that, so he DOES have to be in more places than just the HoP line to do his job effectively.
Also, technically HoP overseeen the janitors too, so the janitor areas are ones that he neds to be able to watch over.
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:59 pm
by ThanatosRa
Just stick around your office and do your job until the initial rush is over then abuse your all access.
Use your power for good, Damnit!
Re: HoP having AA
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:10 am
by Dax Dupont
I usually grab the cooler looking body armor as the hop and give them my old one.