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On felinids

Postby YuiY1997 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:09 am #520162

I've only been playing for around 6 months, probably even less. I realize felinids can no longer be selected as a playable race. This was decided on a vote from november of last year (I think?). Wasn't only one of the four options to actually keep felinids as a race that can be played by everyone? Isn't that kind of rigged? What was the actual reasoning behind it? I hear people kind of thought that the cats were metagaming but it doesn't make much sense to remove a race for that reason since it's not going to stop people from metagaming. I've heard rumors that there's another vote happening this November. That vote's going to be more straightforward, right?
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Re: On felinids

Postby Sandshark808 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:39 am #520164

In the dark, all cats are gay.
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Re: On felinids

Postby oranges » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:41 am #520165

im going to rig it even harder this time

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Re: On felinids

Postby Shadowflame909 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:52 am #520167

the reason was cat-girl statics are incredibly robust and mean and we didn't want any more of them

They are now few and weak in power.

It's like having a dragon as a main race. Power scales tip in the extremes.

But with only like 4 dragons. Then everything is cool.

Depends on the lore all in all. 40 dragons can be quite chill.

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Re: On felinids

Postby wesoda25 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:54 am #520168

hahahahhahahahahhahaaaaaaahahhahahaha

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Re: On felinids

Postby YuiY1997 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:41 am #520170

oranges wrote:im going to rig it even harder this time


Wait so did you actually rig it or is that just a meme? I've mostly heard about this all in shitpost banter so it's hard for me to tell what's actually a thing and what's just autistic screeching/bants
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Re: On felinids

Postby wesoda25 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:18 am #520175

aahhhahahahahahahhahahahahhaaahhhaaa

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Re: On felinids

Postby Farquaar » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:29 am #520177

They were never meant to exist.

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Re: On felinids

Postby Ispiria » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:49 am #520179

More of a sincere answer is that felinids were controversial from their original release because a lot of people believed they were catering unnecessarily to weaboo anime culture and that the race didn't fit SS13 lore nor lend itself in any material way to gameplay. A lot of felinid players feeding into the often fetishized nature of a "neko" archetype using very trite and frequently obnoxious gimmicks (replacing all the walls of the shower room with glass and loudly drawing attention to one's nudity insodoing) did nothing to help general perception of the race.

They were removed as a selectable race in the aftermath of a series of votes on complete removal which came far too close to a draw for either side to be properly satisfied with the success of the other. Veteran players who already had a felinid character being entitled to keep those while preventing any new ones from creation should, in theory, have offered comfort to those on the pro-felinid side, while also promising to the anti-felinids that there would be no new ones which, in time as more veterans retired from the game, would ultimately mean the extinction of the race.

It's not hard to surmise that an additional motive for this compromise is that after the gradual decline of felinid activity, when next a vote was held a larger majority would be in favor of outright removing what would be seen by then (read: now) as an obsolete feature.

The Ssethtide was pretty unexpected and introducing a whole wave of new players before saying "hey look at this elitist veteran thing that you can't have ever" is a good way of having that exclusivity repealed, so if you as a new player look forward to someday being called a furfag and having a doctor morphine you and forcibly remove your ears, then vote in favor of felinid return during the next poll.

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Re: On felinids

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 am #520182

man adds tattoo system, allowing decals to appear over human mobs -> man adds cat ears and tail, sprites borrowed from the cat ears hat, as a proof of concept -> some absolute buffoon enabled this proof of concept because they are stupid -> idiots are now running around as catpeople -> catpeople receive snowflake code that eventually makes them their own race

catpeople were never even supposed to exist, and we STILL DONT HAVE TATTOOS
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Re: On felinids

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:39 am #520186

PKPenguin321 wrote:man adds tattoo system, allowing decals to appear over human mobs -> man adds cat ears and tail, sprites borrowed from the cat ears hat, as a proof of concept -> some absolute buffoon enabled this proof of concept because they are stupid -> idiots are now running around as catpeople -> catpeople receive snowflake code that eventually makes them their own race

catpeople were never even supposed to exist, and we STILL DONT HAVE TATTOOS

stealth pr it is
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Re: On felinids

Postby Sandshark808 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:16 am #520192

This is now a "how to mess with catgirl starics" thread.

Did you know they automatically run towards laser pointer dots? If you feed them chocolate, they will get organ damage and vomit everything in their stomachs.
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Re: On felinids

Postby Analbifida » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:26 pm #520200

Remove cats.

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Re: On felinids

Postby confused rock » Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:51 pm #520202

does Yui know how IRV polls work
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Re: On felinids

Postby Cobby » Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:22 pm #520209

the joy you get from playing a catgirl is immensly less than the headache admins (particularly headmins) and oranges has to deal with regarding what extent they're enabled to.

Everytime it's a shitfest and not worth the effort so people can avoid just getting catears from the theatre.
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Re: On felinids

Postby Rohesie » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:08 pm #520211

The catgirl clique is forcing me to shill felinids.
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Re: On felinids

Postby Snuffleupagus » Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:43 pm #520216

Cobby wrote:the joy you get from playing a catgirl is immensly less than the headache admins (particularly headmins) and oranges has to deal with regarding what extent they're enabled to.

Everytime it's a shitfest and not worth the effort so people can avoid just getting catears from the theatre.


I find exactly half of your statement to be pure bullshit. Admins might have to deal with it. (People being pricks and dosing you with morphine to remove your ears.) that’s an easy fix. You change policy. It’s the same reason you can’t gulag lizard folk.

Oranges causes this chaos. He seems to revolve around it. Never plays the game. And stirs shit within the codebase when he gets bored. I was around for the cat polls (2.0) this is the second time he’s done this and it was maybe 3-4 people bitching on the forums. Oranges retroactively polled it and like a retard fucked up the wording on the first poll which retroactively caused him to lose the vote and created a second poll which was biased in the other direction.

Iirc at the time headmins tried to tell him to get fucked and he pointed at his: Get Out Of Jail Free Code Maintainer card.

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Re: On felinids

Postby PKPenguin321 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:20 pm #520221

Snuffleupagus wrote:
Cobby wrote:the joy you get from playing a catgirl is immensly less than the headache admins (particularly headmins) and oranges has to deal with regarding what extent they're enabled to.

Everytime it's a shitfest and not worth the effort so people can avoid just getting catears from the theatre.


I find exactly half of your statement to be pure bullshit. Admins might have to deal with it. (People being pricks and dosing you with morphine to remove your ears.) that’s an easy fix. You change policy. It’s the same reason you can’t gulag lizard folk.

Oranges causes this chaos. He seems to revolve around it. Never plays the game. And stirs shit within the codebase when he gets bored. I was around for the cat polls (2.0) this is the second time he’s done this and it was maybe 3-4 people bitching on the forums. Oranges retroactively polled it and like a retard fucked up the wording on the first poll which retroactively caused him to lose the vote and created a second poll which was biased in the other direction.

Iirc at the time headmins tried to tell him to get fucked and he pointed at his: Get Out Of Jail Free Code Maintainer card.

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Re: On felinids

Postby Sandshark808 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:26 pm #520222

No matter what your opinion on coderbus is, felinids belong in the brapp chamber.
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Re: On felinids

Postby oranges » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:04 pm #520243

PKPenguin321 wrote:
Snuffleupagus wrote:
Cobby wrote:the joy you get from playing a catgirl is immensly less than the headache admins (particularly headmins) and oranges has to deal with regarding what extent they're enabled to.

Everytime it's a shitfest and not worth the effort so people can avoid just getting catears from the theatre.


I find exactly half of your statement to be pure bullshit. Admins might have to deal with it. (People being pricks and dosing you with morphine to remove your ears.) that’s an easy fix. You change policy. It’s the same reason you can’t gulag lizard folk.

Oranges causes this chaos. He seems to revolve around it. Never plays the game. And stirs shit within the codebase when he gets bored. I was around for the cat polls (2.0) this is the second time he’s done this and it was maybe 3-4 people bitching on the forums. Oranges retroactively polled it and like a retard fucked up the wording on the first poll which retroactively caused him to lose the vote and created a second poll which was biased in the other direction.

Iirc at the time headmins tried to tell him to get fucked and he pointed at his: Get Out Of Jail Free Code Maintainer card.

????????????
so much wrong with this

well duh, it's snuffle

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Re: On felinids

Postby Whoneedspacee » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:28 pm #520245

oh man i remember making that pr 15 minutes before having to drive to uni

good times

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Re: On felinids

Postby Anonmare » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:41 pm #520247

The whole controversy was stupid and still remains stupid
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Re: On felinids

Postby Sandshark808 » Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:47 pm #520248

Delete catgirls and give us tramp stamps instead.
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Re: On felinids

Postby Screemonster » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:31 pm #520251

Anonmare wrote:The whole controversy was stupid and still remains stupid

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Re: On felinids

Postby ThanatosRa » Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:57 pm #520255

I thought we were still a few months out from this scab being picked?
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Re: On felinids

Postby TothBrush » Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:15 am #520291

I still cannot understand why so many people got so butthurt over a cosmetic change akin to basically changing your hair color or skin color.

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Re: On felinids

Postby terranaut » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:01 am #520763

TothBrush wrote:I still cannot understand why so many people got so butthurt over a cosmetic change akin to basically changing your hair color or skin color.

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Re: On felinids

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:18 am #520765

Now that the anniversary is coming, we should make another poll about c*ts
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Re: On felinids

Postby Sandshark808 » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:00 am #520771

Tarchonvaagh wrote:Now that the anniversary is coming, we should make another poll about c*ts

And this time delete them fully :^)
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Re: On felinids

Postby TWATICUS » Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:04 am #520773

Wowwwww, you meow like a cat! That means you are one, right? Shut the fuck up. If you really want to be put on a leash and treated like a domestic animal then that’s called a fetish, not “quirky” or “cute”. What part of you seriously thinks that any part of acting like a feline establishes a reputation of appreciation? Is it your lack of any defining aspect of personality that urges you to resort to shitty representations of cats to create an illusion of meaning in your worthless life? Wearing “cat ears” in the shape of headbands further notes the complete absence of human attribution to your false sense of personality, such as intelligence or charisma in any form or shape. Where do you think this mindset’s gonna lead you? You think you’re funny, random, quirky even? What makes you think that acting like a fucking cat will make a goddamn hyena laugh? I, personally, feel extremely sympathetic towards you as your only escape from the worthless thing you call your existence is to pretend to be an animal. But it’s not a worthy choice to assert this horrifying fact as a dominant trait, mainly because personality traits require an initial personality to lay their foundation on. You’re not worthy of anybody’s time, so go fuck off, “cat-girl”.
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Re: On felinids

Postby Cobby » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:34 pm #520970

Wowwwww, you meow like a cat! That means you are one, right? Shut the fuck up. If you really want to be put on a leash and treated like a domestic animal then that’s called a fetish, not “quirky” or “cute”. What part of you seriously thinks that any part of acting like a feline establishes a reputation of appreciation? Is it your lack of any defining aspect of personality that urges you to resort to shitty representations of cats to create an illusion of meaning in your worthless life? Wearing “cat ears” in the shape of headbands further notes the complete absence of human attribution to your false sense of personality, such as intelligence or charisma in any form or shape. Where do you think this mindset’s gonna lead you? You think you’re funny, random, quirky even? What makes you think that acting like a fucking cat will make a goddamn hyena laugh? I, personally, feel extremely sympathetic towards you as your only escape from the worthless thing you call your existence is to pretend to be an animal. But it’s not a worthy choice to assert this horrifying fact as a dominant trait, mainly because personality traits require an initial personality to lay their foundation on. You’re not worthy of anybody’s time, so go fuck off, “cat-girl”.
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Re: On felinids

Postby wesoda25 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:10 pm #523660

hahahhahahahahHAHAHAHAHhahaaaa

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Re: On felinids

Postby Lazengann » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:44 pm #523695

id get on a felinid if you know what I mean

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Re: On felinids

Postby ThanatosRa » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:44 pm #523730

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Re: On felinids

Postby Reeeee » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:27 am #523740

*wag
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Re: On felinids

Postby carshalash » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:20 am #523769

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Felinid does *wag? Real shit

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Re: On felinids

Postby Shadowflame909 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:21 am #523770

Lazengann wrote:id get on a felinid if you know what I mean


more detail please

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Re: On felinids

Postby MisterPerson » Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:37 am #523790

oranges wrote:-snip-

The moral of this story is referendums are bad. So why are we having another one?
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Re: On felinids

Postby Mickyan » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:04 pm #523800

More controversial than brexit
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Re: On felinids

Postby Plapatin » Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:50 pm #523805

is it really THAT hard to get kitty ears from the theatre
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Re: On felinids

Postby Reeeee » Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:04 pm #523806

i do gotta ask doe, does anyone even give enough of a fuck to do anything about it? I mean, actually give enough of a fuck what other people are choosing to play as to go out of their way to disable it?
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Re: On felinids

Postby Tarchonvaagh » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:15 pm #523815

you must have had a rough childhood
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Re: On felinids

Postby ThanatosRa » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:54 pm #523829

ThanatosRa wrote:Maximum chaos run
Bring them back

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Re: On felinids

Postby oranges » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:40 am #523907

MisterPerson wrote:
oranges wrote:-snip-

The moral of this story is referendums are bad. So why are we having another one?

the issue was never settled the first time, too close to call, the hope was that after 1 year everyone would have settled the fuck down and we could have a sensible outcome

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Re: On felinids

Postby wesoda25 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:42 am #523910

Plapatin wrote:is it really THAT hard to get kitty ears from the theatre

if us God fearing spacemen have our way, there won't BE kitty ears once this is over

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Re: On felinids

Postby oranges » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:48 am #523914

wesoda25 wrote:
Plapatin wrote:is it really THAT hard to get kitty ears from the theatre

if us God fearing spacemen have our way, there won't BE kitty ears once this is over

I actually like the kitty ears headband

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Postby actioninja » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:18 am #523930

expecting tg players to behave sensibly lol
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Re: On felinids

Postby terranaut » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:45 pm #523985

I voted remove because I believe it'll bring more salt than keep
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Re: On felinids

Postby Timonk » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:11 am #524284

Removing felinids isn't gonna drive away the people playing them, yknow. Also keeping them would bring more salt because just look at the masses screaming remove compared to keep
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Timonk wrote:This is why we make fun of Manuel


Woah bravo there sir, post of the month you saved the thread. I feel overwhelmed by the echo of unlimited wisdom and usefulness sprouting from you post. Every Manuel player now feels embarrased to exist because of your much NEEDED wise words, you sure teached'em all, you genius, IQ lord.




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Re: On felinids

Postby MisterPerson » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:31 pm #524312

oranges wrote:
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oranges wrote:-snip-

The moral of this story is referendums are bad. So why are we having another one?

the issue was never settled the first time, too close to call, the hope was that after 1 year everyone would have settled the fuck down and we could have a sensible outcome


Settling this via referendum is impossible. Like if readding felinids wins 51%-49%, that's close enough that the removal people are gonna whine and complain because they think they still have a shot at getting their way. And vice versa if removal wins by a narrow margin. The only "sensible" outcome possible is an overwhelming victory that forces the opposition to concede the issue as not worth the effort to change and move on to something else.

The correct way to solve this issue is to pick an option and say "this is what we're doing, end of story". At this point I would literally rather have "my" side lose this way rather than relitigate this bullshit constantly.

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I wasn't gonna say it but since you already have, I suggest everyone draw the parallels here.
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Immersion/flavor is playing a WW2 shooter and using a mosin-nagant instead of a laser gun - this is important.

Realism is playing a WW2 shooter and having to spend 2 months in hospital everytime you get shot - stupid and detrimental to gameplay. Nobody actually wants a realistic game, which is why realism arguments are so selectively used.
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