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YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah wild how people getting rampantly autistic over being able to give your spessmen cat ears stops any development involving cat ear people. Felinids feel like the least fleshed out of the races as a result. Most of the other races have a lot more pros and cons and unique stuff.

YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah wild how people getting rampantly autistic over being able to give your spessmen cat ears stops any development involving cat ear people. Felinids feel like the least fleshed out of the races as a result. Most of the other races have a lot more pros and cons and unique stuff.

Super Aggro Crag wrote:

YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah wild how people getting rampantly autistic over being able to give your spessmen cat ears stops any development involving cat ear people. Felinids feel like the least fleshed out of the races as a result. Most of the other races have a lot more pros and cons and unique stuff.

every time someone coded a con for the cats they started screaming about people codegriefing them

oranges wrote:

YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah wild how people getting rampantly autistic over being able to give your spessmen cat ears stops any development involving cat ear people. Felinids feel like the least fleshed out of the races as a result. Most of the other races have a lot more pros and cons and unique stuff.

Felenids existed as a sprite change on the human species for a long time, they were made species SOLEY to facilitate cleaner code.

As such I am avoiding greenlighting any major changes to them and will continue to do so for as long as possible, any "feature" of them that cause me even a single iota of problems I will rip out without consultation.

deedubya wrote:

oranges wrote:

YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah wild how people getting rampantly autistic over being able to give your spessmen cat ears stops any development involving cat ear people. Felinids feel like the least fleshed out of the races as a result. Most of the other races have a lot more pros and cons and unique stuff.

Felenids existed as a sprite change on the human species for a long time, they were made species SOLEY to facilitate cleaner code.

As such I am avoiding greenlighting any major changes to them and will continue to do so for as long as possible, any "feature" of them that cause me even a single iota of problems I will rip out without consultation.

the implementation of cobbmed caused untold amounts of issues, but you didn't rip that out as soon as you caught whiff of them

evidently you're fine with deafening yourself to people if you think it'll make an improvement, so why are cats different?

Qustinnus wrote:what is soley and how do u make something soley

deedubya wrote:the implementation of cobbmed caused untold amounts of issues, but you didn't rip that out as soon as you caught whiff of them

evidently you're fine with deafening yourself to people if you think it'll make an improvement, so why are cats different?

Cobby wrote:not sure what issues you're talking about byond "this med literally kills you instead of heals" which was patched fairly quickly. Some chems were edited because of lack of use or design changes but it's not like they were the only answer to the problem of being hurt to begin with.

deedubya wrote:green names ignoring the point just for the "haha gotcha" moment, epic

regardless of why they were divided into a unique species, they are a unique species now. they even have unique species traits(flashbang go owie, hee hoo laser), but they are not being expanded upon because oranges is allergic to cats.

oranges wrote:

deedubya wrote:green names ignoring the point just for the "haha gotcha" moment, epic

regardless of why they were divided into a unique species, they are a unique species now. they even have unique species traits(flashbang go owie, hee hoo laser), but they are not being expanded upon because oranges is allergic to cats.

I didn't miss your point, there's just nothing to say about it because it's a non point, you just state the exact opposite of what I said, and I already explained to you why cats were different.

I just pointed out that it was absolutely nothing like cobbychem because it isn't and now you look like a moron.

YuiY1997 wrote:Yeah but why do cats HAVE to be different? It would be nice to have more variety in the game. I'm not asking a hypothetical here I figure you probably know better than I do. Is it just because you want cats to be almost purely cosmetic? Would fleshing out how they are now as their own race just cause more code fucky wuckys?

>another fucking catgirl argument
admins and the codebase are intrinsically tied in the same way that the gm and the rules of a ttrpg are intrinsically tied
it kind of sucks that it is that way but unfortunately it is
administration shapes code and code shapes administration
"seperation of codebase and server is absolute!" is a pretty ridiculous rallying cry when the entire structure of how ss13 adminstrates itself has dramatically shaped the game
<request from goofball to replace felinids with tajaran>
nope, and never happening
felinids are on a permanent freeze
I'm not interested in felinid changes at this point anymore, it's a stupid battle that results in a giant drama battle over fucking nothing anymore
the only thing I would settle for is complete removal
you're actually delusional if you think that changing felinids to tajaran would please absolutely anybody
both fucking sides of this debate are so fucking stupid
you realize that the sprite replacement is what people would care about right?
the worst part about this fucking shit
I've read this entire argument before
this entire
hour long argument
I've seen
at least 10-15 times
<response to someone asking if it's an administration thing>:  it's more complicated than that but it's such a deep fucking web of political bullshit
it has very little to do with cat ears anymore and a lot more to do with the power dynamic between code and server
<response to someone commenting about how long the argument has been for a tiny sprite feature>: that's the whole fucking problem
these debates always center around felinids as the actual feature
but the actual feature doesn't fucking matter
it doesn't matter at all
we can't touch it because it's the fucking forbidden fruit not because it's some intrinsic feature
because the whole point is the appearance
changing apperance of felinids would upset literally everybody
because one side is REEEE FURRIES REEEEE ANIME REEEE CRINGE
and the other side is "it's just ears and a tail bro why do you care so much bro it's just cosmetic bro doesn't actually do anything bro BUT ALSO I WILL VIOLENTLY OPPOSE ANYTHING TOUCHING IT"
oh I think it would be fucking hilarious but at the same time that it could genuinely threaten stability of the server if it goes badly is absolutely pathetic
I mean "the server" in "the entire Coderbase-Admin Industrial Complex" not "literal game server"
that's the only reason the only thing I would "settle" for is total removal
it is literally the only way to ensure moving forward that the problem doesn't come up again

dentdubya wrote:tl;dr coderbus has their head so far up their own ass that they see kowtowing to the wishes of the administration and community as tantamount to surrendering the autonomy they already don't deserve

What a crock, no wonder this is the only community that the repo is unaccountable to its players and leaders.

deedubya wrote:tl;dr coderbus has their head so far up their own ass that they see kowtowing to the wishes of the administration and community as tantamount to surrendering the autonomy they already don't deserve

What a crock, no wonder this is the only community that the repo is unaccountable to its players and leaders.

FloranOtten wrote:

dentdubya wrote:tl;dr coderbus has their head so far up their own ass that they see kowtowing to the wishes of the administration and community as tantamount to surrendering the autonomy they already don't deserve

What a crock, no wonder this is the only community that the repo is unaccountable to its players and leaders.

That's not what it says though? That's a TL;DR made by someone who didn't read. Changing anything about it wouldn't jeopardize the 'coder power' or whatever the fuck conspiracy you're thinking of, it'd cause a stupid amount of drama both in adminbus and beyond, and that isn't worth it.

it's more complicated than that but it's such a deep fucking web of political bullshit
it has very little to do with cat ears anymore and a lot more to do with the power dynamic between code and server

these debates always center around felinids as the actual feature
but the actual feature doesn't fucking matter
it doesn't matter at all

I mean "the server" in "the entire Coderbase-Admin Industrial Complex" not "literal game server"

it's more complicated than that but it's such a deep fucking web of political bullshit
it has very little to do with cat ears anymore and a lot more to do with the power dynamic between code and server

these debates always center around felinids as the actual feature
but the actual feature doesn't fucking matter
it doesn't matter at all

I mean "the server" in "the entire Coderbase-Admin Industrial Complex" not "literal game server"

Not that it's any secret this has been the case for a while now. Oranges wanted to purge cats at least 2-3 years ago to my knowledge. The only reason he wasn't able to is because the backlash from both admins and players was so severe that if he tried to push it through anyway, the autonomous coderbus would end. Even so, he tried slimy tactics like holding a new race at gunpoint when calling a vote for their removal, and then adding a new config option in an attempt to grandfather them out, hoping to get play rates down enough to justify a full removal.

YuiY1997 wrote:

oranges wrote:

deedubya wrote:green names ignoring the point just for the "haha gotcha" moment, epic

regardless of why they were divided into a unique species, they are a unique species now. they even have unique species traits(flashbang go owie, hee hoo laser), but they are not being expanded upon because oranges is allergic to cats.

I didn't miss your point, there's just nothing to say about it because it's a non point, you just state the exact opposite of what I said, and I already explained to you why cats were different.

I just pointed out that it was absolutely nothing like cobbychem because it isn't and now you look like a moron.

Yeah but why do cats HAVE to be different? It would be nice to have more variety in the game. I'm not asking a hypothetical here I figure you probably know better than I do. Is it just because you want cats to be almost purely cosmetic? Would fleshing out how they are now as their own race just cause more code fucky wuckys?

oranges wrote:

YuiY1997 wrote:

oranges wrote:

deedubya wrote:green names ignoring the point just for the "haha gotcha" moment, epic

regardless of why they were divided into a unique species, they are a unique species now. they even have unique species traits(flashbang go owie, hee hoo laser), but they are not being expanded upon because oranges is allergic to cats.

I didn't miss your point, there's just nothing to say about it because it's a non point, you just state the exact opposite of what I said, and I already explained to you why cats were different.

I just pointed out that it was absolutely nothing like cobbychem because it isn't and now you look like a moron.

Yeah but why do cats HAVE to be different? It would be nice to have more variety in the game. I'm not asking a hypothetical here I figure you probably know better than I do. Is it just because you want cats to be almost purely cosmetic? Would fleshing out how they are now as their own race just cause more code fucky wuckys?

I don't want to change them anymore because every change causes arguments that I ultimately have to sweep up on, they're not worth the time or hassle.

Shadowflame909 wrote:Last addition pertaining to Felinids only: Catgirl toxin in 2018, merged by action ninja

PKPenguin321 wrote:where tattoo

Cobby wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:where tattoo

it's coming, let me just test with these new rabbit ears i made.

deedubya wrote:Not that it's any secret this has been the case for a while now. Oranges wanted to purge cats at least 2-3 years ago to my knowledge. The only reason he wasn't able to is because the backlash from both admins and players was so severe that if he tried to push it through anyway, the autonomous coderbus would end. Even so, he tried slimy tactics like holding a new race at gunpoint when calling a vote for their removal, and then adding a new config option in an attempt to grandfather them out, hoping to get play rates down enough to justify a full removal.

wesoda25 wrote:id rather not look at everything posted above me so i wont, but the say mod is some real para tier code

wesoda25 wrote:literally a ton of the other ones which were suggested in the pr?

here: "yaps", "chortles" or "babbles", "yowls" or any other synonym for says

Cobby wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:where tattoo

it's coming, let me just test with these new rabbit ears i made.

actioninja wrote:

deedubya wrote:Not that it's any secret this has been the case for a while now. Oranges wanted to purge cats at least 2-3 years ago to my knowledge. The only reason he wasn't able to is because the backlash from both admins and players was so severe that if he tried to push it through anyway, the autonomous coderbus would end. Even so, he tried slimy tactics like holding a new race at gunpoint when calling a vote for their removal, and then adding a new config option in an attempt to grandfather them out, hoping to get play rates down enough to justify a full removal.

Not only do you still have complete brainlet tier reading comprehension this is also just factually incorrect on objective historical events.

PKPenguin321 wrote:no but really isnt that just some bullshit that they coded a system for tattoos/scars/various decals then added cat ears and literally never added the fucking tattoos. what the fuck.

PKPenguin321 wrote:no but really isnt that just some bullshit that they coded a system for tattoos/scars/various decals then added cat ears and literally never added the fucking tattoos. what the fuck.

SpaceManiac wrote:

PKPenguin321 wrote:no but really isnt that just some bullshit that they coded a system for tattoos/scars/various decals then added cat ears and literally never added the fucking tattoos. what the fuck.

this kind of thing happens pretty often, it's not usually a problem unless the system is poorly coded or bulky. one one hand multi-z took multiple years to brew before any map using it actually got made. on the other hand research point types ruined everything when it got merged and had to be hastily cleaned up afterwards, and then wasn't used for a year until nanites